Standard 1G-GTE Dyno.

[JustCallMeOrlando]

Haha, granted power can be made with it in place, but ask BVD how hard it is to keep my car off boost at highway speeds.

[TheToyman75]

Nathan,

Dave isn't here this week so I can't ask him for you sorry dude but typically street cars are tuned with the fact they are street cars in mind, ie enough of a buffer for a stinking hot day and/or some slightly stale fuel. Nothing gets tuned to the razors edge unless specifically requested for a specific purpose or event. Ie a Dyno comp or a flying 5th etc.

That 2.5" bit of exhaust won't be helping thats for sure. I wonder what your exhaust back pressure is at full noise.

[JustCallMeOrlando]

Surely though that bit of safety net is the reasoning for the various correction maps afforded by the ECU? The Adaptronic can trim both ignition and fuel based on air and coolant temp.

[Pube]

it will be interesting to see how my new td04 setup will compare to the stock ct12's. They are roughly the same size....

[IN 05 NT]

i'll hopefully have a my new setup on soon, 6BOOSTS of manifold and just your average t28.....(tilll i can afford something else)

but dont forget that DYNO results arent really to comparible, as all dynos are different,

ie, i may make 160 today, and 170 tomorrow on another dyno......

blake

[JustCallMeOrlando]

Dyno results aren't the be all and end all. Pube's and my results were on the same dyno. Comparisons between Shootout dynos when done correctly should be comparable too.

MPH at the drags was what I was looking to compare, but with the closed loop ignition on, I was a good 6MPH down on my last efforts.

[Pube]

Just looking on the ImportBitz website in the 'electronics' section and there is a M/T ECU for a 1g with 'HKS chip for bigger turbo..' Thats the first ive seen.

[BLK1g-gte]

I seen that as well...does that mean it would run richer on ct12 or??? I know of sumone on here think it was KiRk who had a mines chipped ECU and was worth 15kw.....Can't find noting for auto but

[JustCallMeOrlando]

The exhaust i'll look at replacing when my ass recovers from the reaming it got over the trip

[TheToyman75]

Surely though that bit of safety net is the reasoning for the various correction maps afforded by the ECU? The Adaptronic can trim both ignition and fuel based on air and coolant temp.

The last thing you want is the ECU constantly running on knock retard or massive fuel trims. The ECU will overcompensate and pull out to much timing as a general rule. The idea is to end up with a tune that doesn't require the ECU to trim much fuel or timing under normal conditions. As such a "safe" tune will generally end up making more power that an overly agressive one that is left to the ECU to handle. Just look at what the closed loop ignition control did to your MPH

Just to clarify, when I said safe I didn't mean not aggressive

[JustCallMeOrlando]

Thats fine, wasn't saying he didnt What I meant though was the configuration is there for a reason.

The only reason the closed loop ignition killed power was because it's not setup, it was just on. The standard setting retards once it sees any knock. There is a background knock calibration table which I need to fill out before it will be going on, but that is going to require getting my hands on a laptop to do some logging. The severity of the retard, duration and tolerance are all customisable on top of that.

I understand what you mean about not wanting to have it permanently trimming it in a negative way, but given the customisation available, if that is the case, it wasn't setup right in the first place. Both the air temp and coolant temp correction maps for ignition and fuel are configurable and mapped over every 5 degrees of temperature and you can fully customise the trim for each.

[JustCallMeOrlando]

And no, I'm not suggesting getting those right is a trivial matter

[TheToyman75]

Nathan,

Mate you well know the tuning was incomplete as discussed while you were here dude.

The Adaptonics "missing" area's of control and inability to run sequential injection combined with the existing wiring of the injectors and budget considerations meant it was left as a compromise. The addition time to set up the closed loop functions and fine tuning was declined as you were getting that sorted back in SA once the adaptonic was "fixed" ?

The adaptonic does have a lot of safety triggers tho which are great when they are all configured and set up. You just don't want to rely on them as the norm

[JustCallMeOrlando]

Mate, I know it was incomplete I'm getting onto Andy as we speak I shall have a working tacho once I get hold of a laptop, I've already got new firmware for that.

I'm not having a go about the closed loop stuff. The question I put to you though is, why wouldn't you rely on them if correctly implemented? Correction maps are the way a car manufacturer would approach it, only the goals are slightly shifted. They're still tuning it to a performance target.

[TheToyman75]

Sorry dude I misread your take on the question. Andy is a top bloke so I'm sure you will have no hassels with him adding the extra paramaters and controls it needs. Given a few more years of development the adaptonic should be an awesome bit of gear. Its already a good thing.

Keep in mind I am just a glorified receptionist (General manager Same thing lol ) and not the dyno tuner but no tuner I have ever met sets things up at the razors edge, Sure the ecu has compensation tables for allot of things, but they don't cover all bases and scenarios and as I said before they over compensate. Ie if it pings in the heat it won't gently pull out a half degree of timing it will rip out a massive chunk of it to save your engine.

Tuninng a car to RELY (spelling ? ) on its fail safes is like going to a brothel and picking the only girl with an STD because you have a rubber in your wallet Having the failsafes all set up for IF something does go wrong is why they are there.

Also keep in mind if the ecu is doing it then its reacting After the problem as opposed to trying to prevent it in the first place (Ie knock control has to see knock before it does anything)

Hope thats clearer dude, its always so easy to take things the wrong way in text