Reputation??

[o_man_ra23]

Evan, write a tech article on the finer points of driving then... the tech articles dont have to just be about mechanicals... and neg rep is given for whinging or deconstructive comments, so not haveing much technical knowledge wont get you neg rep... bad posts will.

Cheers, Owen

[thu187]

I feel I was a bit hard done by. I got a negative rep added because I made a thread called more camry pics. I did this on purpose because if I added them into the previous thread it would've been a couple of pages down and this way people could see them straight away. Maybe I should have posted in the older thread but I hardly think I posted up anything negative or derrogatory. Oh well, I'm not going to fight it. I think some people are taking the whole rep thing a bit seriously. Like people will still read your posts to find out what you're like so don't worry too much about the negative rep because people will still be looking at your posts. It only really matters when it comes to buying/selling but then you can always get people who you have made exchanges with to vouch for you anyway.

[Mr DOHC]

i think neg reps should have to be approved b4 they can be counted

[Cool1]

i think neg reps should have to be approved b4 they can be counted

Very much agreed!
As hard as I am I feel sorry for the dorifto sprinter owners getting bad rep just cause of the car they own

[mc68]

this reputation thing sucks, its like a high school democracy again

if you are well learned on the tech side, and flaunt that, your get praised and admired, yet if you dont know as much (like myself) you are left out of the inner circle, with all the cool guys and the pretty girls

i dont think ill ever get the status where i can get an avatar, and its just not fair *sobs*

[EldarO]

Its a good thoery, but thats where it stops, a theory. it'll never work, as wanted, in practise.

still, another feature to amuse us i suppose...

Eldar.O.

[Cool1]

It appears that if your just a post whore and post stuff that looks technicial, or just questions what someone else has posted, you can get your rep stat right up there!

[takai]

Very much agreed!
As hard as I am I feel sorry for the dorifto sprinter owners getting bad rep just cause of the car they own

I dont see that happening. Note in my sig what car i race, do i get neg points for it? Infact 3 of the +ve points i got tonight were for the AE86 Suspension FAQ....

The rep system works, and it works well. Just needs to be fined tuned or tweaked along the way as all systems do.

[EldarO]

I dont see that happening. Note in my sig what car i race, do i get neg points for it? Infact 3 of the +ve points i got tonight were for the AE86 Suspension FAQ....

The rep system works, and it works well. Just needs to be fined tuned or tweaked along the way as all systems do.

What the hell!??!??!?!

are you even reading this thread!??!?!

a system doesnt work if people ABuse it...

there have been a few examples of people getting neg rep for whatever car they own, or expressing their opinion, or even because they're rep count is too high.

in addition, there are people that are getting positive rep because people feel generous, or agree with their opinion on something completely non-technical.

i dont know what your reading, but its not this thread.

Eldar.O.

[BlackSupra]

The rep system works well.

It encourages a technical aspect to the forums and should also encourage others to learn from those sections.

I'm just trying to finish getting my head around turbos and have been asking a few questions, now that i know the answers it is possible to help others in the future with their questions.

That's how rep works.

4 years ago i didn't have a clue about anything mechanical, give it time and absorb. Do the work yourself and have first hand experience and help others. It's the best way to learn.

And there is obviously an underlying problem that you have with the rep system, something like the inability to post in the classifieds that is really the driver behind your annoyance.

Enjoy

[Mr DOHC]

admittedly the -ve for the rep count being too high toward oldcorollas was from me, but he knew it was from me and he knows i was just being a tool, at this stage he had 70 odd rep

[takai]

The rep system does work. It still encourages the use of the tech section, and the proper use of it, rather than the sillyness. For example, one of the people who i didnt think would be getting +ve rep for tech posts, and who was famed for his slagging of people on the old forums has come into line. Now, you might be thinking that this guy is a tech guru. Well, at the start of the year he had very little idea about engines, and even doing a 1J conversion was a HUGE and massive deal. Yet now he is quite knowledgable on the conversion, and the +ve rep which he has shows that.

[river]

Hi,

If you're a financial Toymods member, then you can post in the classifieds section and have an avator, so the rep points don't really mean much to a member, do they?

Although I understand the desire of the system is to gain reputation by posting valid technical information, it's not possible for everyone to do this. As we have seen, there are many people who do not have the technical ability to post informative data. The rep points are a (somewhat) useful tool to gauge a persons technical knowledge, but as rep points are also added/lost from non-technical threads, then this is not a true indicator.

I think it's invalid to give someone -ve reputation just because of the car they drive. Also I think -ve rep without a comment is not correct also. Under these circumstances I think the victim should contact the board and get these things sorted out. Playing the devils advocate, I also think that +ve reps points with no comment or for something dumb, should also be highlighted to the Board - though I can't see too many people complaining that they obtained +ve rep without a comment or for some dumb reason.

The problem I see is that a lot of importance has been placed on rep and it is the mechanism to enable people to post in certain areas. It's not a perfect system and open to abuse. Anyone can point out the problems, but what we need to do is also offer some solutions.

So, let me make some (hopefully) constructive comments....

1 - Rep points can only be gained or lost in the "Technical", "General Car", and in the "Classifieds" section.

2 - No rep points can be given or taken unless accompanied by a comment.

Point 1 will stop whoring and other such activities to stop people gaining "fluffy" points. Point 2 will enforce the respondant to provide a reason for their +ve/-ve rep value, and if this is a nonsensical reason, you can take this to the Board.

However, as the above points limit how quickly rep can be gained, there should be a reduction in the number of points required to post in the classifieds.

A poor seller or poor buyer should be hit with more -ve points if they are ripping off people or failing to pay someone for goods received.

Moderators have the same +ve/-ve ability as any other user in these forums. The 10-point ability of a mod is unnecessary, as this implies the mods have more techncial savvy and ability than the other users. This is not necessarily correct and they already have the power to adjudicate and rectify rep point issues, plus their ability to ban and delete.

Similarly, a user with a lot of +ve rep shouldn't have the ability to put in more than a single plus or minus rep.

While I understand the reason for not being able to post rep on a particular user for a number of intervening reps to other users, I feel the current value is too large as some people often put in good contributions that you cannot award because you have to do some repping on other people first. I think this value could be reduced, especially if the rep system is limited to only a few threads.

sseyuzz
river

[takai]

Im also inclined to give rep points for good, well thought out posts which are constructive on the topic of the thread, and the post by river falls squarely into that category.

[oldcorollas]

i agree with Takai and Teh Massif Dong and River

there have been a few examples of people getting neg rep for whatever car they own, or expressing their opinion, or even because they're rep count is too high.

in addition, there are people that are getting positive rep because people feel generous, or agree with their opinion on something completely non-technical.

the whole AE86/neg rep thing has nothing to do with the car, it is to do with the attitudes and posts of the people that own them... it was initially just a funny observation that those people who own spoontahs and go dorifting were getting neg rep because people did not think their posts were useful... some cases deserved, perhaps some not, but it was never about the car......

but over the next few months, if people make positive contributions, their rep will go up.
if they need to sell something, they can do it by any number of means, and they could even (shock horror ) pay for advertising in a paper...

the rep whoring for getting rep on non-technical/interesting posts (ie, non-car discussion threads) should not be encouraged.. if people are found to have gained all their rep from buddies and non-tech, it will be rectified...

but really, people should not be getting so pissed off about getting neg rep... you should be happy in the knowledge that if you positively contribute to this technical forum, then your rep will naturally go up a few neg here and there are natural from people with different opinions or with some deepseated hatred of you but they can only neg rep you so often anyway
as for MrDOHC's neg rep for me.... giiiit farrrked heh heh... i thought it was funny

but if you make stupid posts.. you can get neg repped by MANY people at once, and that is where you will and should suffer... as for opinions, they should be expressed where it is appropriate, and should be constructive in nature.. no-one gains from snide remarks about how shite everything is... and there is no reason to be venting frustrations and what-not here... this is not boost-cruising or hot-4's... and should never be.

as for extra rep power, aiui only admins have +10 rep power (about 3 people).. normal mods only have 1.... don't they?

i am continually amused that some ppl are annoyed/bewildered by the rep count i have... but to me it's neither here nor there, since, as River pointed out, i am a club member anyway, so it doesn't give me any benefit or advantage anyway

and to add to the useful siuggestions, and expand on Takais point, i think pos rep is deserved for asking a good question that leads to further discussion or clarification of a thread/idea.. so someone eager to learn and asking good questions is also valuable to the forum...
if someone has no tech knowledge.. and no desire to learn more about tech things... and only wants to post in non-car discussion and the classifieds.... well.. thats why rep is in place no?