3rzfe Supercharger Kit ?

[brett_celicacoupe]

sounds good.

ive noticed some of the later hiluxs have a tube bent exhaust manifold while the earlier ones are just a cast iron abortion of a thing.... one big lump of metal with a few holes

[Glenno52]

sounds good.

ive noticed some of the later hiluxs have a tube bent exhaust manifold while the earlier ones are just a cast iron abortion of a thing.... one big lump of metal with a few holes

Yeah...this is a '99 model and it has the tube manifold. Looks almost as good as proper headers...at least next best thing
I can't see that you would gain all that much from fitting aftermarket headers. We were able to start with the bigger pipe right at the y piece where the last two manifold pipes came together. Actually cut into the y piece to gain maximum flow into the two & half inch pipe from there on.
Worked out really good with just a hot dog and then a larger straight thru muffler where the original was.
Pretty good note and not at all noisy like some i've heard.

And the intake....after removing all those crappy sound muffler things and fitting the new filter...all i can say is 'it sucks'

[Stylux]

So I'm dredging up an old thread I know...
Actually I spose it's not really that old.. Dec 09..

Anyway, Glenno, I have pretty much the same truck as your son, a 98 SR5 3RZFE 4X4 and I have ordered the same supercharger kit from LC engineering. I'm expecting mine around Thursday next week.

I have aspirations to fit a Haltech Platinum Sprint 500 full replacement ECU to run the charger, however I do not rate my mechanical skills high enough to fit the ECU. The supercharger however, I can fit myself.

So the plan at the moment is to fit the Supercharger myself (at home) then drive around 10-15km's to Rapid Ute World (Tamworth NSW) to have the ECU fitted and tuned.
This of course means that for that 10-15km drive, my car will be running a supercharger from the stock ECU. I am not too sure how to get around this as I don't know if the stock ECU will be able to handle it, or if it will crap itself and end up detontating or something along those lines.

Glenno, I think you said above that you drove the truck briefly with the blower, but on the stock ECU, did you notice any issues I might encounter on the drive?

Basically I just want to know if I would be able to drive the car into town with the stock ECU or if it would cause damage.


Cheers guys,

Squid

[Glenno52]

So I'm dredging up an old thread I know...
Actually I spose it's not really that old.. Dec 09..

Anyway, Glenno, I have pretty much the same truck as your son, a 98 SR5 3RZFE 4X4 and I have ordered the same supercharger kit from LC engineering. I'm expecting mine around Thursday next week.

I have aspirations to fit a Haltech Platinum Sprint 500 full replacement ECU to run the charger, however I do not rate my mechanical skills high enough to fit the ECU. The supercharger however, I can fit myself.

So the plan at the moment is to fit the Supercharger myself (at home) then drive around 10-15km's to Rapid Ute World (Tamworth NSW) to have the ECU fitted and tuned.
This of course means that for that 10-15km drive, my car will be running a supercharger from the stock ECU. I am not too sure how to get around this as I don't know if the stock ECU will be able to handle it, or if it will crap itself and end up detontating or something along those lines.

Glenno, I think you said above that you drove the truck briefly with the blower, but on the stock ECU, did you notice any issues I might encounter on the drive?

Basically I just want to know if I would be able to drive the car into town with the stock ECU or if it would cause damage.


Cheers guys,

Squid

We drove over 60km on the stock ECU with no problems. Take it easy without putting the right foot to the floor too many times on the way and you'll be right.
We are still not happy with the performance, but have been told by one guy that a full aftermarket ECU would improve things a lot.(he says he has done it before)...but the guy at CNJ Motorsports where we got ours dyno'd said it was not necessary and the piggyback supplied with the kit was doing its intended job and we wouldn't gain anything from an aftermarket ECU...who do you believe
We're still running the supplied pulley with 5psi boost, but seriously considering a smaller one to aim for about 8psi hoping for an improvement to somwhere near what we were expecting in the first place! In general, the whole thing has been dissapointing so far.
I will be very interested to hear from you after you get it all set up to see how yours goes.
You can expect to get a lot of crap from turbo guys about how bad superchargers are, but i know from first hand experience with my Corona (supercharged) that they do perform very well.
Cheers,
Glen.

[BeRad]

Noone said superchargers we're crap, but yours will give us something to guage if they are indeed the less efficient of the 2 , and as for superchargers being superior offroad, give me a pm one day when its on road and we'll go out for a play in yours and a 3rz +T.

an aftermarket ecu gains you full control, the piggy back would be giving the motor more fuel to compensate for boost, it depends on what capabilities the piggy back has, and what you deem worth 3000 dollars, so they are both right, aftermarket will allow to tune it more aggressively, gaining more power and being able to alter ignition timing.

5psi is not alot, but should be a fairly good improvement, if anything torque should be greatly increased, your playing with all stock parts, that wern't designed and/or factored into anything on the motor. To gain more the dollars will blow out, if the tuning isnt up to scratch you'll also be up for a new motor. Speaking from personal experience, adding forced induction to a internally standard high compression "big block" 4 cylinder motor takes the best knowledge, wheather it be a shop/yourself or trial and error, and/or a fair amount of money to maintain reliability, yes there is 300-500rwhp internally stock 3rz's running around but, they either blow up or have had thousands spent in tuning and parts that allow optimum temp,pressure,ignition,fuel,compression and the list goes on

go to 8psi and it will be time for a new set of injectors, and wanting/needing a fully programmable ecu.

An aftermarket ecu alone without a blower tuned on the aggressive side, will outdo a 3rz running 5psi through it with a stock ecu.

Many of times i blew cooler pipes off, and i was more than impressed, even with a stupid turbo restricting my exhaust flow

Good luck hope it works out to be an animal.

[Stylux]

Awesome, thats been a massive help already!

My kit will be the 8psi, I have asked for that pulley which is one of the main reasons I decided on the Haltech replacement ECU unit.

I toyed with the idea of a turbo, but my engine has gone over 250,000km and I wanted to delay an engine rebuild for a while until I can afford it after the Blower has gone in. The engine is by no means run down, but it is definitely aging, so around the end of this year I'll probably put the engine in for a recondition. But I understand a supercharger to be easier on the lifespan of the engine, for lack of a better word, than a turbo, and I was after boost throughout the entire rev range, so I went the way I did!

I'm running Hurricane Extractors and a 2 1/4" exhaust system, and I have a new Weapon R pod style filter intake going on when the Charger does, so I'm expecting a LOT more airflow.

As for driving it into town.. I'm going to check out prices for trailers, but if I can't find any less than $50 for the trip, or that aren't rated for 3tonnes, chances are I'll drive her in.

Cheers guys,

Squid

[BeRad]

How are superchargers easier on motors?

Poorly tuned and/or maintained forced induction setups turbo or supercharged are the killer, its the heat etc that both produce, also intercooling is not possible with those supercharger setups which IMO is a downside to more than average boost

If its that much of a worry for you, dont put the blower belt on the crank, effectively running a n/a until you get to the shop......

[Stylux]

Ah ok.. Haha well mine will be set up properly, and I'll maintaining it well too!
Yeah it'll be coming around Thurs or Fri so I'll keep you updated on the install and let you know!

[Glenno52]

Noone said superchargers we're crap, but yours will give us something to guage if they are indeed the less efficient of the 2 ,
Well...we were quiet aware that superchargers were less effecient in overall terms before we went down that path. Effeciency alone was not the deciding factor. and as for superchargers being superior offroad, give me a pm one day when its on road and we'll go out for a play in yours and a 3rz +T.
Superior off road? Who said that!

an aftermarket ecu gains you full control, the piggy back would be giving the motor more fuel to compensate for boost, it depends on what capabilities the piggy back has, and what you deem worth 3000 dollars, so they are both right, aftermarket will allow to tune it more aggressively, gaining more power and being able to alter ignition timing.

5psi is not alot, but should be a fairly good improvement, if anything torque should be greatly increased, your playing with all stock parts, that wern't designed and/or factored into anything on the motor.
Sure, they are all stock parts and Toyota offered this kit as an option in the USA without mentioning the need to upgrade other bits, so we naturally assumed it would work
To gain more the dollars will blow out, if the tuning isnt up to scratch you'll also be up for a new motor. Speaking from personal experience, adding forced induction to a internally standard high compression "big block" 4 cylinder motor takes the best knowledge, wheather it be a shop/yourself or trial and error, and/or a fair amount of money to maintain reliability, yes there is 300-500rwhp Hmmm..not looking for anything like that, but near 200 would be nice
internally stock 3rz's running around but, they either blow up or have had thousands spent in tuning and parts that allow optimum temp,pressure,ignition,fuel,compression and the list goes on

go to 8psi and it will be time for a new set of injectors, and wanting/needing a fully programmable ecu.

An aftermarket ecu alone without a blower tuned on the aggressive side, will outdo a 3rz running 5psi through it with a stock ecu.
Wish I had known that before..could have saved a couple of grand!

Many of times i blew cooler pipes off, and i was more than impressed, even with a stupid turbo restricting my exhaust flow Now...who said turbo's were stupid

Good luck hope it works out to be an animal.

Not looking for a tiger, but a common alley cat would do rather than the kitten it is now

[BeRad]

Noone, but low down grunt torque for offroad and towing can be achieved with a matched turbo also, both types have up's n downs however.

Yep noone can blame you for assuming it would work, i would imagine it would why vary the ecu's so much, fair enough overall tune for different atmospheric pressures etc but completely is a bit of a PITA

haha if yours wasnt a manifold type blower you'd have a cooler to haha, problem fixed needed some stitchs on the pipes to give the clamps something to grip too

I really think the lack of programming available through the piggy back is holding it way back, do you have your tuning figures as far as what a/f ratios, water temp etc?, running lean will slow you down greatly, and cause excessive heat and/or pinging.


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[Stylux]

Well just on that point with the piggy back being a potential issue for you at the moment Glenno, I ordered my kit without the unichip (not that it helps you now) and saved US$500, and the Haltech Sprint 500, which is a relatively inexpensive unit at $1100 is quite capable of tuning the engine to run the charger aggressively.

On another note, Rotrex USA has a backlog so the rotors are delayed in arriving at LC, so they won;t be shipping till around the 24th Mike said...

[Glenno52]

Well just on that point with the piggy back being a potential issue for you at the moment Glenno, I ordered my kit without the unichip (not that it helps you now) and saved US$500, and the Haltech Sprint 500, which is a relatively inexpensive unit at $1100 is quite capable of tuning the engine to run the charger aggressively.

On another note, Rotrex USA has a backlog so the rotors are delayed in arriving at LC, so they won;t be shipping till around the 24th Mike said...

I guess we can try and sell the Unichip on Ebay to help pay for an upgrade.

[Stylux]

Well before you dive right in, if you want to see how mine turns out, I can post up Dyno sheets from the tune up and then make your choice.. That way, if it doesn't turn out significant gains, you have the option and you may have saved some cash!

[Stylux]

By the way, that tune and dyno run will be hopefully the week before Easter, but more likely the week after...

[Stylux]

Ok guys, just an update.. The charger is in customs at the moment, I was hoping I'd get it last week, but it didn't work out. So it doesn't look like I'll be able to have it installed and tuned before Easter.
There's a good chance that what I'll do instead is get all the Electrics out of the way, have the ECU installed and tuned for the normally aspirated engine. After Easter, there's a couple of things I want to fix on the Exhaust and Drivetrain, but once those are on, I'll unleash the Beast and have the car retuned...