3sgte Limits???

[MR 1JZ]

dont make me neg you for hijacking another thread with gay mini talk

[Andrew162]

hahaha, classic... I oughtta show that to my sister, give her some inspiration as she's building up her Mini as well. I'd suggest the 3S-GE under the dash too except she's just gotten the engine out, had the head reconditioned and and the block redone as well, and it's still sitting in pieces. after she sorts out all the interior (including a completely rebuilt dash and custom retrimmed seats) she has to get the engine back in, stock exhaust fitted up for engineering, and sports exh bolted back on after that. all in the space of 5 weeks...

[cush]

how about those 3sgtes ...

[4agte]

say hello to my little friend


nothing comes even close to lancia 16v's fiat/lancia 1.6 to 2Ls are the pinnacle of 4 cyclinder engines. stock std from the factorys of milan the lancia delta 16v head flows over 500hp!. Std rods are good for 500 hp at a 8krpm limit a delta 16v engine with larger injectors and an ecu will easly see 350hp at 14psi at bear min

tony regoil runs a hybred of new and old in his datto ute it runs a fiat 131 cast iron block with 16v head, venolia pistons, and h beam rods and that is unbeatable

there is no weakness in blocks or heads the only let down are the rods at the 500hp limit there a belt driven twin cam cam over bucket 4 banger in other terms it's got the good type of head unlike evos/sr20's with there rocker rubbish

if you still dont belive me the stats speak for them selfs since 1973 to 2006 fiat motor group has 13 wrc crowns which make them the most successful car manufacturer to enter wrc mind you they stoped racing ralle in 1992 and all 13 of them have some form of fiat twin cam 8v or 16v

as much as i do like my fiats theres allways a spot for the 3s

thats all great but the integrale gearboxes cant take more than 350hp before they start cracking cases aparantly

edit: and then there is what you determin the pinnacle of 4 cylinder engines because i tend to think that something that produces 130 odd hp per ltr in stock N/A form and revs to 9000 rpm is a pretty awesome engine

[4agte]

4age's been done in the back before...
and whatever v6 the camry has too

there are some guys putting hyabusa motors in the back in the uk somewhere

[TurboRA28]

Off topic I know.. But Cush, you know a bit about mini engine swaps eh? Need some advice

[o_man_ra23]

there are some guys putting hyabusa motors in the back in the uk somewhere

Yup, and twin R1 engines... one per wheel

Cheers, Owen

[cush]

Off topic I know.. But Cush, you know a bit about mini engine swaps eh? Need some advice

a bit... but matt will probably neg rep me if i talk about it..

that said... i know some.. what do you need to know?

Yup, and twin R1 engines... one per wheel

Cheers, Owen

that'd probably be a one in the front, one in the back job.... not enough room for 2 in the back..



but yeah...how about them 3sgtes , hey?

[Ben Wilson]

there is no weakness in blocks or heads the only let down are the rods at the 500hp limit there a belt driven twin cam cam over bucket 4 banger in other terms it's got the good type of head unlike evos/sr20's with there rocker rubbish

Rockers allow a lot more freedom in cam profiles. Bucket type setups are limited by the flat surface, with a rocker (or finger follower) arrangement, you can get a lot more agressive with cam profiles.

You forgot the mention that the Fiat motor needs a new timing belt every 40k though..

[sam-131]

ha? 40k who told you that i change them at 80k just to be on the safe side but normally 100k they would see no drama my project car did'nt see any cam belt replaced it had the same one from italy and had over 130k on the clock

i am not to sure on that ben in theroy yes they could allow for more freedom but really how spastic do you want to go? with a shimless bucket you could go to any profile you would like

what about rockers breaking at high rmp or the added mass from them?

[4agte]

i thought that the rocker failures in the sr20's were due to the rockers/lifter or whatever they are called being hollow thererfore the solid lifter conversion solves that problem

[Ben Wilson]

ha? 40k who told you that i change them at 80k just to be on the safe side but normally 100k they would see no drama

The guy who's Thema I had to help rebuild after his timing belt snapped..

i am not to sure on that ben in theroy yes they could allow for more freedom but really how spastic do you want to go? with a shimless bucket you could go to any profile you would like

what about rockers breaking at high rmp or the added mass from them?

You are the one talking about 500hp on stock internals - How spastic to you want to go?

Have a look at this thread for more information.

[o_man_ra23]

shim under bucket FTW... motorbikes dont use rockers, and they put out spastic hp/ltr figures, and rev like theres no tomorrow. I think we all need to look at motorbike technology when it comes to head design (why do you think Toyota commissioned Yamaha to do their performance heads??)

Cheers, Owen

[GT4Junkie]

Does anyone know anything about the 'Gen 4' 3SGTE's out of the ST215 Toyota Caldina's, do they run the same block as the Gen 3, or is it a completely new casting? I believe brand new blocks from Toyota aren't prohibitively expensive, so I'm wondering if they would be a better option for someone wanting to build a high HP 3SGTE?

What about the st245 out of the new caldinas? wouldnt they be an even better option than the st215?

[Ben Wilson]

motorbikes dont use rockers, and they put out spastic hp/ltr figures, and rev like theres no tomorrow

Yet - Every F1 and Indy motor does use rockers (or finger followers)....