how long is a suspension for driving a prohibited vehicle ?

[oldcorollas]

hi guys,

unfortunately i have got myself in a bit of some unlucky circumstances today and i just wanted to know whats everyone's opinion on it. i been driving a st185 celica gt4 for awhile now (about 2 years or more) and i never had a problem and been lucky until today.

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...e_vehicles.pdf
moderate performance vehicles that you can get exemption for:

TOYOTA
CELICA
ST185R Liftback 2dr GT4 Rallye Man 5sp 4WD 2.0T 1998

but in high performance vehicles

TOYOTA CELICA GT4 RALLYE ST185R 2D LIFTBACK 4 1998 cc Turbo Interc Mult TURBO 4
TOYOTA CELICA GT4 ST185R 2D LIFTBACK 4 1998 cc Turbo Interc Multi 5M TURBO 4
TOYOTA CELICA GT4 ST205R 2D LIFTBACK 4 1998 cc TURBO Multi 5M TURBO 4

so the car is restricted, but you can get a moderate performance exemption for it...

Note, for enforcement purposes provisional drivers must carry an exemption letter from Roads and Maritime Services to drive these vehicles.

If you wish to confirm that a vehicle is considered to be a moderate turbo/ supercharged vehicle, then please refer to the list below titled A guide to moderate performance vehicles. If still unsure, please email your enquiry to [email protected]

Please note that even if the vehicle is classified as a moderate performance vehicle, the vehicle is still regarded as a prohibited vehicle and an exemption to drive the vehicle must be approved and obtained from Roads and Maritime Services before the holder of a provisional licence is able to drive the vehicle. .

http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/publicatio...s/45071143.pdf

This condition restricts all P1 and P2 drivers, regardless of age, from driving 'prohibited vehicles'. A prohibited vehicle is a Motor vehicle with:
eight or more cylinders
certain high performance six cylinder and other vehicles listed on Roads and Maritime Services' website.

An exemption may be granted to a:
-country driver who requires the use of eight or more cylinder four wheel drive (4WD V8) vehicles if there is no practical alternatives
-person who can prove they owned the prohibited vehicle prior to 11 July 2005 or before an interstate/overseas licence transfer (attach proof of acquisition). Note, only a provisional who has never held a NSW licence before his/her licence transfer can apply for this exemption
-person who can demonstrate any other exceptional circumstance, (attach any information necessary to support your exemption request).
-a turbocharged or supercharged engine (diesel exempt)
-engine performance modifications
-person who can demonstrate that an exemption is required for employment purposes,

Note: NSW provisional licences issued prior to 11 July 2005 were not conditioned. However, the condition will be applied if the provisional driver is disqualified for an offence committed on or after 11 July 2005. In these instances, the provisional holder may be granted an exemption if they can prove direct ownership of their current vehicle at the time of the offence that led to the disqualification (attach proof of acquisition).
**An exemption from the prohibited vehicle condition will not be granted simply on the basis that the only vehicle available in a household is a prohibited vehicle. If your application is for employment purposes, you must attach a statement on a business letterhead signed by your employer supporting your application. The statutory declaration must be completed by the registered operator(s) of the nominated vehicle(s).

Please tick the reason for your request and complete the sections that follow (you may tick more than one if applicable):

1) I need to drive a prohibited vehicle in the course of my employment (complete the sections that follow and Section I)
2) I need to drive 4WD V8 vehicle in the country and I have no practical alternative (complete the sections that follow and Section I)
3) I need to drive a prohibited vehicle that may be determined by RMS to be of moderate power (complete Section I)
4) Other reason, i.e. owned vehicle prior to introduction of the scheme (please supply details below and complete Section I)

[oldcorollas]

change to power to weight restrictions maybe
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...807-2rg9o.html

Statistics obtained by Fairfax Media show that since current vehicle restrictions were introduced for provisional NSW drivers in 2005, fatal accidents involving 17 to 20-year-old drivers have been reduced by 25 per cent across the state.

or you could see it like 10-15 youngsters unfortunately saved from removing themselves from the gene pool?
but remember serious injury rates are around 10 times the fatality rate..

100-150 people not on disability pensions for rest of their miserable life? worth it...

[splatt]

Your problem could be that the copper was not highway patrol.
i seem to remember a news item last year that said NSW was going to "standardise" laws with all other states, And as this restriction on P platers driving V8's and turbos was NSW only, it had to go.(this is a totally DUMB move, all the other states should have followed the NSW law.- nothing more dangerous than a P plater in a TT Skyline or Supra.- held a red licence for 3 months and know it all! Turn themselves into a pile of hamburger and bone splinters real fast and a total waste of some good cars!)

[oldcorollas]

the problem was that the cop was in the right, regardless of probably not really knowing the car.

the restrictions will stay, but change for newer low powered turbos, based on power to weight ratio as used in other states

[playwme]

It doesn't matter what "should" be. What matters is the law that exists, whether fair or not. Introducing exemptions and exclusions and all that simply opens up loopholes for the people the law is designed for. Society is like that sometimes. Some responsible people will be affected, so what? It's a couple of years. Young people need to stop demanding the best of everything everything straight away. Put up with an old V6 Camry for a few years, it builds character and improves you as a person.

As for the OP's question, I wouldn't be trying to get an exemption based on family reasons. If you had a Caldina Wagon maybe, but a GT4 Celica doesn't really fall in the "Family Car" category.

[lexsmaz]

Not a real biggy, but it goes against his original inquiry in my opinion as He has now started up a thread on how can He get more power out of his GT4 ..

[crowncustom]

Just come to Tassie.No restrictions down here.

[lexsmaz]

Nothing in Tassie, I thought it was Australia wide .. Goes to Show even the Regulators have forgotten about Tassie

[lilcrash]

Tasmania isn't Australia. Lol.

[lexsmaz]

Tasmania isn't Australia. Lol.

Might pay you to do your homework & google it ..

[lilcrash]

Lol. It was a joke.

[celicapain]

my ghetto solution to this conundrum.

purchase shagged ct26. gut it removing turbine and compressor wheel. replace housings.
swap into your car for existing turbo. take to authoritahs- explain to them that you have had the car inspected by a mechanic and that the car is not turbocharged, rather it has been fitted with a rotary heat exchanger for better fuel economy. should be legal in the same way a deturbo pipe legalizes a skyline.
And if they didnt take photos on the turbos internals when you got done then they have to go on the available evidence.
profit
my 2 cents

[lexsmaz]

my ghetto solution to this conundrum.

purchase shagged ct26. gut it removing turbine and compressor wheel. replace housings.
swap into your car for existing turbo. take to authoritahs- explain to them that you have had the car inspected by a mechanic and that the car is not turbocharged, rather it has been fitted with a rotary heat exchanger for better fuel economy. should be legal in the same way a deturbo pipe legalizes a skyline.
And if they didnt take photos on the turbos internals when you got done then they have to go on the available evidence.
profit
my 2 cents

A lot of effort & I'm quite sure at the end of the day if the outside housing etc is a turbo its a turbo no matter what's inside as the Authorities all know people will just change it back ...

What's a deturbo pipe as you say can be fitted to a Skyline & do you have any pic's ..

[celicapain]

Its always less effort to just not break the law. If you wanna break the law and circumvent the punishment then you either have to throw time or cash at the problem.
I'm pretty sure that their is no recognized legal definition of a "turbo charger" in which case the RTA should proceed on the basis of the operational definition i.e can it make boost or not.
basically it'll pretty much depend on who you get at the RTA, but at least it would give you fighting chance of getting off the fine.

[king-szeitszam]

It's pretty simple- don't break the law.