how long is a suspension for driving a prohibited vehicle ?

[lilcrash]

Not sure what you mean, a motor bike is dangerous regardless of size. If you are inexperienced you can die on a 125 as quick as being killed on an 1800.

[mynameisrodney]

He means that you cant ride bigger bikes when on your Ls and Ps. This is a good thing, it is much safer to learn on a smaller bike, you will come unstuck way easier on an 1800 than a 125 while you are learning.

[lilcrash]

Only a percentage of people do that though, I know a lot of people who ride 1000cc bikes on their learners and RE license.

Restrictions will only ever stop people who are genuinely afraid of "authority" in our "legal" system.

Edit. - and restrictions have only been in place for a few years, I'm sure a lot of you didn't have restrictions, I certainly didn't, but I was tought how to drive and I knew what my limitations were because I have commonsense. I can guarantee that the road toll hasn't changed since the restrictions started. There is still people driving around with no regard for other peoples safely, it doesn't matter what car you are "allowed" to drive, a car in the wrong hands is still just a missile waiting to be launched at someone.

[mynameisrodney]

"Only a percentage" means nothing. The percentage could be 0 or 100. In Syd at least it is pretty high. There are people who break the rules, same as with every rule in existence. Doesn't mean the rule is wrong.

You may have been lucky enough to be taught well and have common sense. Lots of people aren't.

[jonathan yee]

Only a percentage of people do that though, I know a lot of people who ride 1000cc bikes on their learners and RE license.

Restrictions will only ever stop people who are genuinely afraid of "authority" in our "legal" system.

Edit. - and restrictions have only been in place for a few years, I'm sure a lot of you didn't have restrictions, I certainly didn't, but I was tought how to drive and I knew what my limitations were because I have commonsense. I can guarantee that the road toll hasn't changed since the restrictions started. There is still people driving around with no regard for other peoples safely, it doesn't matter what car you are "allowed" to drive, a car in the wrong hands is still just a missile waiting to be launched at someone.

Or they obey becuase they have a respect and understanding of the laws.

I don't see what the big fuss is over restricting the power/weight level of vehicles for inexperienced drivers. The law applies to anyone regardless of age.

[lexsmaz]

I'm from the old school days when there was no restriction on power for a P plater, but as the big v8's of the day were pretty expensive for a young apprentice to afford & run I stayed with the small bang cheaper 4 cylinder cars, but knowing what is available these days in Turbo cars etc at quite reasonable prices ( & Very quick cars too ) makes me think if I was young again & there was no restrictions on power for P platers I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have lived long enough to see my 21st Birthday, let alone my 50th as I have now done ..

Just My 2 cents worth ..

[lilcrash]

I understand the need for the retrictions but I think they are restricting the wrong thing. How about about they stop letting immigrants teach people how to drive. There is driving schools around who don't let you use the pedals for the first 15hours. If you haven't got the capacity to use the pedals you probably shouldn't be driving.

[red_rolla20v]

Ok i had the same problem i was on the one point plan and failed to finish that and had to suck up a 6 month suspension...

After i got my licence back i started to drive my ra65 with a turbo 20v in it. I got dicked in that twice in a week, neither times doing anything wrong.

Its only 3 points in victoria for driving a prohibited vehicle. Unfortunately, any petrol turbo car is off limits to p platers (besides 3 cyl turbos as per exemption list...) and they will red flag your car so i wouldnt be driving it anymore until off your p's. Especially now with the new numberplates and scanning system, you won't last long until your pulled over again.

I don't know what the rules are in NSW, but in VIC, once you've been suspended on your p's, that suspension + an additional 6 months are added to your time before you're eligible for your full licence...

Best thing you can do is try and get out of the speeding fine and take the other one to court. Both times ive been to court ive been lucky and the judge has allowed me to keep my licence as im an auto elec so obviously needed...get a letter from your boss, tell them to talk up your character as a person and the MUST for you to keep your licence.

Good luck!

[lexsmaz]

I understand the need for the retrictions but I think they are restricting the wrong thing. How about about they stop letting immigrants teach people how to drive. There is driving schools around who don't let you use the pedals for the first 15hours. If you haven't got the capacity to use the pedals you probably shouldn't be driving.

Are you serious, there are driving schools like that here in Australia !!! that's absolute Bullshit & definitely as you said no way should that person ever get their licence either, its like that show that was on TV here in Australia some years ago about people that had failed in getting their licence Multiple times & the show was about Driving instructors trying to bring them up to speed to get their licence, but quite a few were a lost cause in my opinion & should never be allowed on the road ( I think one Woman had spent about $10,000 in driving lessons & in my opinion was still like a learner on their first day of driving !! ) ...

[lilcrash]

yeah i remember her, but yeah my aunty is a driving instructor and she has alot of people coming to her after spending alot of money and not getting taught anything.

i didnt come in here to start an argument either, i just feel that people with nice cars generally treat them with more respect for fear of crashing, when you have p platers driving around in $10 pos commodores they dont care if they break it so they do stupid stuff.

[mynameisrodney]

But if you start allowing cars just because they are "nice" it will turn into a situation where richer people are allowed powerful cars and poor people aren't. That's not exactly fair.

These laws weren't around when I was a p plater. And there were plenty of people crashing nicer cars back then. Off the top of my head there was one JZA80 and one series 4 RX7 smashed while I was still in school.

[lilcrash]

I know there is always that exception but another factor that has changed in the last few years is that the older junky cars that were normally purchased as a first car (rt104 corona as an example) are now rediculously expensive so it's cheaper to buy a 200kw commodore and then wrap that around a pole. I remember a statistic that most people have a crash within the first 12months of getting their license, if you say had an old corona/sigma/corolla you have a lot less power to hit a pole or car with.

[oldcorollas]

how many 200kw V6 commodores are there?

VR was 130kw
VY was 150kw...

no-one is saying they have to have 180B for a first car..
still people want something 10-15years old, but that means late 90's early 2000's..

most P-platers can't afford new cars, or nice cars, so they drive either what they can afford or are given..

what do you think makes more sense.. a P-plater driving a 120-130kw NA S15... or modified turbo one with 250rwkw??

the driving education thing in AUstralia will NEVER become like the German or Japanese systems.. where it costs thousands to get a licence, and takes many real hours.
the system here? they know everyone is going to lie in their logbook..
most Aussies don't want to learn how to drive, they just want their right to drive


oh and don7t get into the education thing... better taught drivers still make dumb choices, and we sure have a lot of dumb young kids around these days...
the OP couldn't make the sensible decision of obeying the arbitrary law on power restriction.
him saying "fuck you" to the system has resulted in the system saying "fuck you" back


that said, some people would be fin with a high powered car from first day of P's. and some should never ever have anything more powerful than a Barina...
BUT, it is impossible or very unwieldy to administer such a system... probably closer to impossible.
thankfully there is no limit on power to weigth for people on full licence... cos yaknow.. there could be..

[lilcrash]

I very rarely see a p plater in my area with a car more then 2-3 years old. That's where my 200kw commodore comment came from. In qld they actually had to change the list of exempt cars because the commodore makes 210kw and it wasn't fair to not let them drive them since it's only a v6. Not really understandable since a lot of import cars make less then that.

[oldcorollas]

do the people in your area having more money mean they are more responsible drivers?

210kw in 1800kg car is... not really that great..
100kw in an AE82 (900kg?) is almost same power to weight..

maybe QLD has more retarded laws than the rest of the country?
not surprising consider who they vote in

Changes to the definition of high-powered vehicles

From 1 January 2014, a new definition for a high-powered vehicle has been introduced for cars manufactured on or after 1 January 2010. A car manufactured on or after this date is a high-powered vehicle if it has:
•a power-to-weight ratio of more than 130kW/tonne
•an engine modification that must be approved under section 13 of the Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 2010 (PDF, 831KB).

The existing definition will continue to apply to cars manufactured before 1 January 2010. Under this definition a car is a high-powered vehicle if it has:
•an engine with 8 or more cylinders
•a turbocharged or supercharged engine that is not diesel powered
•an engine with a power output of more than 210kW
•a rotary engine with an engine capacity of more than 1146cc
•an engine modification that must be approved under section 13 of the Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 2010 (PDF, 831KB).

The following vehicles are exempt and can be driven on a P1 or P2 licence:
• Suzuki Cappuccino 2D Cabriolet Turbo 3 657–698cc (1992–1997)
• Daihatsu Copen L880 2D Convertible Turbo 4 659cc (2003 or later)
•Smart Fortwo Coupe 2D Turbo 3 698cc (2000 or later)
• Smart Fortwo Cabriolet Turbo 3 2D 698cc (2000 or later)
• Smart Roadster Turbo 3 2D 698cc (2000 or later)
•Toyota Landcruiser.

the commodore, at 210kw, was still ok with previous rules anyway?

Moderately powered vehicle grounds

The car you wish to drive was manufactured before 1 January 2010 and has:
•a turbocharged or supercharged engine that is not diesel powered
•a maximum power-to-weight ratio of 125kW/t
•no other features of a high-powered vehicle as outlined above.

You can calculate the power-to-weight ratio of a car by dividing its maximum engine power in kilowatts by the kerb weight and multiplying the result by 1000. For example, a vehicle with a maximum engine power of 195kW and a kerb weight of 1667kg would have a power-to-weight ratio of 117kW/t.

Check your vehicle online—moderately powered vehicles are marked ‘Application required’.