3SGE to 3SGTE in a TA23

[WindeX]

Hi all,
I have a TA23 with a 3SGE in it, I have managed to save a little money and was wondering what the cost/effort would be for me to upgrade the engine. From my understanding it would require the following: New inlet, new exhaust manifold, intercooler and associated piping, and wiring for the lot. Are there any other major issues that I have missed?

Cheers

[Classique71]

you could turbo the block you have in it tnow but it would only be good for low boost applications i believe ie less than 8 psi - as it doesnt have the same oil squirters or rod/piston strength as a GTE

you could take it out i suppose , in theory and rebuild it up to suit , but it wouldnt be all that cheap

[jcmunga]

for the cost of parts and changing everything plus getting it tuned after you could probably get a GTE and replce GE, an origional turbo engine will always work better that one that has been made turbo unless its rebuilt

[JustenGT8]

What series 3SGE? I'd happily turbo what you have and with the number of mods a 3SGTE will take to slot in there you'll do it cheaper sticking with what you have. Hi comp ratio turbo engines are the go. The later the Gen the better off you'll be.

Turbo manifold, ECU, FMIC and pipework...all stuff you'll need with a 3SGTE so take your pic.

[StuC]

He has a gen2 in there running a V4 Wolf 3d i believe. I recommend getting a low km gte and going from there. Slightly more expensive yes, but will be able to take 12psi easy

[WindeX]

What series 3SGE? I'd happily turbo what you have and with the number of mods a 3SGTE will take to slot in there you'll do it cheaper sticking with what you have. Hi comp ratio turbo engines are the go. The later the Gen the better off you'll be.

Turbo manifold, ECU, FMIC and pipework...all stuff you'll need with a 3SGTE so take your pic.

Yes it is true I have a gen 2 which has no oil squirters, I wasnt looking for a high powered beasty, just some more poke than the current one, and since it is already in there an I am not too good at fabricating everything myself, I might stick with the current engine.

[JustenGT8]

I'd give it a shot and with Ebay being what it is these days you could assemble all the components you need for around a grand i reckon, especially seeing you already have the Wolf. Biggest cost will be labour for the FMIC pipework and exhaust work

[WindeX]

Yeah I am dreading getting a manifold made up for the turbo and the intake!

[JustenGT8]

That's what i'm saying....a 3S manifold on ebay is as cheap as chips so just pick a style you think will clear with minimum mods. Nothing to touch on the intake other than pipework which you could mostly do yourself. You'll be right....the big issue is tuning so leave that to the experts

[WindeX]

Am I right in my assumption that gen 2 3sgte and gen2 3sge exhaust manifolds are a direct match. Any others that are?

[BeRad]

i may be able to help u with most of the setup

[Classique71]

problem here lies within that manifold being for a gt4 - a east west style config

it at a guess wouls most likley foul something ..

this is going into a ra23 , the other issue guessing using a stock type manifold would be the turbo facing the opposite way to the logical direction for RWD turbo ..

i assume having the dump off the back is more convienient than having it go from the front , out then over or under the rest

low boost turbo For the win though - it would still make a ra23 honk along !

[Classique71]

ha! i got -ive repped for what i thought was ok info

ahh well i guess you cant win em all

oh! while im giving crap info - have you pondered a gze conversion instead using the aircon bracket/guides/pulleys from where it used to have it ?

i mean it might be a little less fuss for 6-8psi with say , an sc12 ??

it in theory would also be more responsive down low

[WindeX]

It couldent be that hard for an exhaust shop to rotate the flange around 180 degrees would it?

I have thought about the gze conversion, but didnt ever really look into it as much due to the need for custom brackets and such, but either way I am going to need custom fabrication, just depends if I want turbo rush or supercharger pull.

[JustenGT8]

reversing the bracket would be easy but may not even be required, especially if the manifold is for a T25 or T3 flange as alot of the ebay manifolds appear to be. They also do the adaptor flange so again maybe no mods required. I had a bunch of spagetti SS manifold for a MR2 for my 3SGTE 22 and it was doable to get it working. Back then though a SS manifold was worth $1000 so rather than butcher it i sold it on and had another steam pipe one made. With your Ebay offering i'm sure it could be modded to work fine in RWD config, especially with a small comp housing T28 which is the type of turbo you should be looking at.