what engines for RT-142

[sam-131]

edit: disregard found out what i wanted to know

[The Witzl]

VL turbos could be tricked to go quick easy

For even less an AE71 could be tricked to go quick easily too.
... just look at the turbo one i built.

[Norbie]

Or an XR6 Turbo motor - i cant believe ppl havent started using these in conversions yet...yes they are exxy, but ive heard of ppl making 380kw just by chipping them!! good luck doing that to a 1jz.

XR6 turbo engines are pretty awesome, but there's a very good reason they're not used in conversions. You said it yourself, they're exxy - in fact for the money you'd spent on a complete XR6T engine you could easily buy a 1JZ and bolt-ons which will blow its doors off.

[beige_bandit]

Holden is currently manufactury turbo motors for both saab and future alfa's so don't put your foot in it too deep

I'd be carful of your interpretaion of this, do you know how fuckn silly it sounds,
holden manufacturing engines for alfa? and people think the new alloy tech is an aussie engine? I feel ashamed that FIAT have put Alfa in bed with GM, i mean its FIAT's(alfa's) tech work and for some reason GM are executing it and sending back to europe

All i wanna say is: FUCK

[RONA]

I'd be carful of your interpretaion of this, do you know how fuckn silly it sounds,
holden manufacturing engines for alfa? and people think the new alloy tech is an aussie engine? I feel ashamed that FIAT have put Alfa in bed with GM, i mean its FIAT's(alfa's) tech work and for some reason GM are executing it and sending back to europe

All i wanna say is: FUCK

Actually the engine was jointly designed by GM and Holden, the blocks are made in Mexico, a fewer other parts come from elsewhere in the global GM group and holden assembles them.

The buick engine/ecotec engine was never a holden designed engine either, but it was built here as is the HFV6.

Same with the ZETA rwd suspension package, it was a joint development between Holden and GM, GM dropped it as RWD sedans aren't popular in the snowy US states and hence Holden is now using it regardless.

This is off topic though.

[beige_bandit]

Actually the engine was jointly designed by GM and Holden, the blocks are made in Mexico, a fewer other parts come from elsewhere in the global GM group and holden assembles them.

The buick engine/ecotec engine was never a holden designed engine either, but it was built here as is the HFV6.

Same with the ZETA rwd suspension package, it was a joint development between Holden and GM, GM dropped it as RWD sedans aren't popular in the snowy US states and hence Holden is now using it regardless.

This is off topic though.

I said ALLOYTECH not ECOTECH the former being a quad cam all alloy V6, a european design the latter, yes being a buick based V6 running cock up the arse pushrods having nothing to do with an italian mob, thankgod. Just for those who may have misunderstood i am not implying that there is any connection between alfa and the ECOTECH.
Feeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww........

[RONA]

Read it again:

I wasn't saying there was a connection between the ecotech and europeans, I was more refferring to the fact Holden hasn't designed both of their V6's, infact they were invovled in the alloytec/HFV6 design program and got granted the contract to assemble them for the global group.

It was developed by the same international team responsible for the Ecotec, including the Opel engineers responsible for the 54° V6, with involvement with design and development engineering from Ricardo PLC of England.

I don't see the Fiat group mentioned there unless of course they did the ecotec motor

[beige_bandit]

Read it again:

I wasn't saying there was a connection between the ecotech and europeans, I was more refferring to the fact Holden hasn't designed both of their V6's, infact they were invovled in the alloytec/HFV6 design program and got granted the contract to assemble them for the global group.


I don't see the Fiat group mentioned there unless of course they did the ecotec motor

54 degree v6 huh, very close to the alfa 60 degree early V6, hmmm oh it was all alloy aswell, and why the hell does the alloy tech look very similar to an alfa V6, cause it basically is and disgusting that GM takes credit for it, disgusting is the fact that you stated that they will be assembeling them and also supplying them to alfa(amongst others, makes me mad, hey but its not your fault kid!

I'm not implying Fiat group had anything to do with ecotech, but the new alloytech is basically a rip of an alfa V6 and alfa were also part of the design process, but i blame Fiat group cause they basaically direct alfa these days. but the only consolation is that the V6 destined for an alfa bay will have more power.

I guess my actual point is holden are by far the fucktest cars in the world.


End rant
Sorry, back to topic!

[RONA]

FYIUm the 54 degree six is not the HFV6 its the old cast iron block motor used in the current model vectra's ie the 3.2L V6, with 155kw.

[The Witzl]

Sorry, back to topic!

agreed! Else this topic gets the lock.

[joecoolmk2]

can anyone name an engine holden solely and unaidedly designed and made?

now, if you actually have thought of one, is it worth commenting on for any performance reasons?

the answer is NO

[RONA]

can anyone name an engine holden solely and unaidedly designed and made?

now, if you actually have thought of one, is it worth commenting on for any performance reasons?

the answer is NO

They designed an all alloy V8 on a very tight budget to take over from the old 304's (early to mid nineties just a small group of engineers employed by Holden), alas GM said they weren't allowed to build it and sent the LS1 over here instead.

Back on topic sorry witzl

[joecoolmk2]

so what's the thoughts on the conversion of choice spazworm?

the 1ggz/te's(125-155kw stock) been done heaps before, engine costs about$2000

the 1UZFE(190-207+(VVTI)kw stock) is by far the best/coolest/cheapest for atmo conv, plenty of upgrade potential. maybe not the easiest. at $2000-4000?(vvti?), plus manual setup of about $1500-2000(up to you)

3TGTE(125?kw stock) is easy, as long as you get the right parts, about $2500

1JZGTE(207+kw stock) for power and potential, for $3500

3SGE(145-160kw stock) for compact atmo power, for $3500?-4500. depends on gen.



i think the 1UZ is the best choice for price, but only if you can do it yourself.

1ggte would be the cheapest way to get a reasonable amount of power for a smallish(sort of) car.

[spazworm]

lol this is comical as, it seems all of you think that i want to do a conversion with my corona. most likely the only thing i will do with my corona is take out the 22re and work it just to see how fast i can make it out of pure workage.

If i wanted to do a conversion i wouldnt have gone through all the trouble of finding a 22re 5 speed corona in the first place, what a waste of time.

By the way: when i said about the commo engine in the corona that wouldnt be an "on the road" car as MR 1JZ said, there are just too many problems with it to be able to drive it normally. Drags and burnouts is all that car can do.

If i was to put a different engine into a rt142 i would most probably choose a 1j or 1g but i dont know if ill ever have that much money at once.

[Valkyrie]

Hi,
Have you thought about a 13B from an RX8?

The easiest way to save money with this conversion would be to use series 5 turbo box/bellhousing, with a lightweight flywheel and suitable clutch.

We were seriously looking at this combination for my brothers Sprinter. We're going 4AGZE bottom end and turbo route now though.

I have been in a new RX8, and thought even in a car ~350(?) kg heavier, it went quiet well. The 13B would be easy to set nicely back in the engine bay as well.

You would also need, engine mounts g/box crossmember, oil cooler and rebuilt radiator and a thermo fan. Plus all the usual bits and pieces. Most of the aftermarket ECU's will also run the oil metering and variable length manifold 'bits'.

They are not a bad engine, and I think it would pull the Corona along nicely.

Just me 2 bob worth.

Cheers