22re water in oil

[Bitsa]

After finding water in the oil a month or so ago a crack in the head was found. Got that fixed, decked the head, new head gasket. While I was at it I got an engbldr cam new timing chain and guide rails and had the injectors cleaned which, apparently, needed doing REAL bad. Put the motor back together and apart from a couple of external water leaks and having two bolts left over everything appears to be fine, except, water in the oil again. Milky water.

When I put the oil in the engine, there was no sign of any milkiness. Nice clean oil on the dipstick. It was only after I ran it for 5 minutes with the tappets howling that I decided to redo the tappets straight away. When I took the rocker cover off the oil looked like milk. Simple as that. Very disappointing.

Any suggestions as to what could be causing this ?


Trevor

[GA61XX]

Hmmmmm..... 22R iced coffee machine..

yep this is a common prob' with the single row timing chains..

PM sent.. with phone number.. & "yes" .. it is best to ring me on this one..
as it is to hard to explain..

Note:- limit time factor for the offer to ring me..
i don't get to these theads oftern any more.. & have a business to run, so time is limited..

cheers

[ivandude]

Bitsa, let us know what info you do find out.

I've had a BHG 1 year ago/20,000km's ago, was a tiny crack in the heads and since had a bottom-end heads rebuild etc. I know my timing chain hasn't been replaced, but no milky water since anyway. It is noisy, not sure what the noises are, but it never over heats so it's been good to me.

Information about your situation is useful to know. Thanks

[GA61XX]

Hmmmm ... noise..

The 22R motors are known for there crapy timing guides.. PLASTIC ...
when they get old & brake the timing chain then uses the inside edge of the tining cover as a guide.. well Big Noise ... & after a short time it will put 2 x deep "train track" grooves into it.. it will then Crack... Note :- where it will crack is on the High Pressure side of your water pump..... then Presto "iced coffee"

You can buy rubber backed Steal timing guides these days....


cheers

[Youngy]

There is heaps of info on this issue on the net. Even youtube videos.

One place to get a metal backed timing chain kit from is - http://www.engnbldr.com/

I have used one before and it was pretty good for the money I paid and I had no issues.

[Bitsa]

Bitsa, let us know what info you do find out.

No worries mate.

I'm hoping my problem is the timing cover. I shattered the passengers side guide rail days before I discovered a cracked head. I did put egnbldr's steel guide rail in though I didn't replace the timing cover even though there were two very deep grooves in it, but, I didn't because there didn't appear to be a crack in it. Maybe there is.

Have bought the 22re out of 86rona's Avante and will be swapping the timing cover and hopefully that will fix my problem for now. Whatever the outcome I'll be doing that motor up as it's only done 300,000 where mine's done 466,000 or I should be able to at least get a decent motor out of the two.

Thanks for the replies.

[Bitsa]

Bit of a problem.

While pulling apart the motor I just bought, I've rounded off the crankshaft/harmonic balancer nut. Tough buggers to get out, especially when they're not in a car. The 19mm socket won't grip enough now.

Anyone know the best way to remove it ?

[Youngy]

soak it with yield or RP7, WD40 for a while to help loosen the thread and then sacrifice the thing with vice grips - buy a new one after that.

When you put the thing back together use some cooper coat so it will be easier next time.

[CELICASUPRA7M]

if you only have a 12 point socket get hold of a 19mm impact socket or 6 sided socket, failing that
weld a new nut to it,

[Bitsa]

Thanks for the replies here men. Have soaked it in RP7 and bought a 6 sided socket. That socket doesn't slip at all, but, still can't budge the nut. I need a longer breaker bar to get more leverage, but, that can wait a while as my water in the oil problem wasn't what I thought it was i.e. a damaged timing cover.

Turns out that I didn't completely drain the motor of the milky oil when I first blew the head gasket.

That was a bit weird because I drained the oil, then after waiting 3 weeks to get some parts, I undid the sump plug again to put a new gasket on it and water then oil poured out again. Surely it was drained of all oil and water after that though apparently not.

Moral to that story is maybe put some cheap oil in it after you've replaced the head gasket thereby not ruining your good oil by still having water in the oil passages somewhere when you refill. Put the good stuff in after you've done 100k or so with the cheap stuff.

One more thing. What a delightful little cam for a 22re that 261c is from engnbldr. A little extra early ooomph at a very reasonable price. Was a waste of time having the standard cam.

One more thing. I was raised on Repco. If you wanted a part you went to Repco. Nowadays they seem to be more into stereos and car seats than mechanical parts. Today I discovered we have a Bursons in Newcastle and they have mechanical parts coming out their ears, even for my old Corona. Thumbs up to them, but, don't go there if you're after bling, they got none, thank (expletive deleted).

[ChArMs]

There is heaps of info on this issue on the net. Even youtube videos.

One place to get a metal backed timing chain kit from is - http://www.engnbldr.com/

I have used one before and it was pretty good for the money I paid and I had no issues.

is there any places like this in sydney ? i might be after a new performance head

[GA61XX]

is there any places like this in sydney ? i might be after a new performance head

hmmmm...
well you can buy New 22R heads, & then find a machine shop to do the haed job..
But you can Not buy Performance parts for these motors here in Australia..
eg. Double Row Valve Springs, Hot Cam's, & fancy parts..
best to PM me for a phone number.. then ring me, i'll give details..

cheers..

[LezSpaz]

LC Engineering do great work. You can try their website at http://www.lcengineering.com/

But they're all the way in the states. Maybe if you find a few guys needing parts from there you can save on shipping?

[Youngy]

another possible option - also in the States.

http://www.22reperformance.com/22RE%...20Engines.html

but at current rates even shipping of a head will be cheaper than what you can get a reco job for here.