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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by abently
    Send an email of to Kelford Cams, by the sounds of it, 294 and 10.10mm of lift won't need a shim under bucket conversion, but thats beside the point. The value in shim under bucket conversion is same power with less overlap which equals better drivability.

    The rods and/or rod bolts won't cope with the Rpm. But depends on their design. If they are factory forged, then upgraded bolts should be enough.
    I am a bit confused over this, how does the shim type affect the way the valve opens?

    also I thought that all non powdered metal rods where forged?

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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by ed_jza80
    dont remind me of clarity! im on a booze free month!
    Month sounds like hell
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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by abently
    Send an email of to Kelford Cams, by the sounds of it, 294 and 10.10mm of lift won't need a shim under bucket conversion, but thats beside the point. The value in shim under bucket conversion is same power with less overlap which equals better drivability.
    wow missed that bit on my skim reading... mate, your score another point for bad advice... that statement above is complete rubbish!

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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by ed_jza80
    wow missed that bit on my skim reading... mate, your score another point for bad advice... that statement above is complete rubbish!

    justen... shortest month of the year, i can cope... need to lose the weight!
    I let abently's comment go thru to the keeper......not like it's anything unusual

    everything in moderation Ed (well almost everything) and get back on your mtn bike
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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by abently
    The value in shim under bucket conversion is same power with less overlap which equals better drivability.(
    Biggest lawl in a while.

    I was under the impression that the only reason to run shim under/solid buckets was so you could use more aggressive ramp angles and more lift, without the risk of spitting a shim...

    I'm all ears if there are other reasons though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustenGT8
    everything in moderation Ed (well almost everything) and get back on your mtn bike
    just pumped the tyres up yesterday! lol...
    its he resurrection of the last parts of my old race bike - very sentimenta!
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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavatron
    I was under the impression that the only reason to run shim under/solid buckets was so you could use more aggressive ramp angles and more lift, without the risk of spitting a shim...
    That's correct and therefore you can run less duration for the same HP as a result...

    I guess common sense isn't so common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abently
    294 and 10.10mm of lift won't need a shim under bucket conversion, but thats beside the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by abently
    I guess common sense isn't so common.
    so very true
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    Selective hearing or is that selective reading now ? lol

    Quote Originally Posted by abently
    Send an email of to Kelford Cams, by the sounds of it, 294 and 10.10mm of lift won't need a shim under bucket conversion, but thats beside the point.
    If you viewed this > ( http://www.camshaftshop.com/catalogu...07-g-camshaft/ ) you would have noticed that they don't specify shim under bucket conversion, like they do here > http://www.camshaftshop.com/camshaft.../3s-ge-gte/37/

    To their credit though, they do state here > ( http://www.camshaftshop.com/camshaft.../1uz-fe-v8/33/ )

    we have in stock shim under bucket kits with retainers and single or dual valve springs.
    Eitherway looks like Denzel has now a supplier for the conversion Kit.

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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    actually dude, the first link you post does specify you "must use shim under bucket setup".
    I quote from your first link
    Application: Lexus / 1UZFE, fully modified racing engine, ultimate cam for 430-470HP NZ A Grade stock car, must use shim under bucket setup.
    That is an example of how "selective" your reading is

    EDIT: I just went through their site, there are a few contradicting typo's. I would prefer to trust someone with a bit of actual experience with the 1uzfe rather then possible erroneous text on their website.

    Best to email them for sure tho...
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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by abently
    Selective hearing or is that selective reading now ? lol
    If you viewed this > ( http://www.camshaftshop.com/catalogu...07-g-camshaft/ ) you would have noticed that they don't specify shim under bucket conversion, like they do here > http://www.camshaftshop.com/camshaft.../3s-ge-gte/37/
    To their credit though, they do state here > ( http://www.camshaftshop.com/camshaft.../1uz-fe-v8/33/ )
    not again?

    selective thinking? poor link between brain and typing?

    it's easy to say "yeah, see i was right after all" when others come and fill in the gaps you leave due to not knowing in the first place

    i used to think abently was a KM AE, but KM can't speel sew gud
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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    Ok, keep it on topic... sorry but my service here isn't paid so responsibility = nil. Although I do try to be accurate for the OP sake.

    I've said what I had to say twice now, so that's the end of this thread for me.

    If you can get stock drive ability from the 294 deg cams, then go for it seriously. Its the only way to make more power out of an N/A Engine along with more RPMs.

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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    hopefully those conversion kits will include the 1uzfe, and werent just talking about 3sgte, though i been told most of those parts are inter-changable,

    i cant seem to find where they say it though, if i click on your link just refers me back to the home page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenZel
    i been told most of those parts are inter-changable,
    o'rly?.....
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    Default Re: compression, how high is too high on 98fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by ed_jza80
    o'rly?.....
    yes iv been told some of the later 3sgte stuff will work.

    shed some light on what parts can be used for the shim under bucket conversion then please? Simplest and cleanest solution if there is a such a thing with this conversion. Looks like either way, something has to be aftermarket or machined.

    edit - went through your site again, noticed AeroPC has performed the swap, and he's in perth too. Though not sure if they are a workshop or just a racing team.
    Last edited by DenZel; 02-04-2009 at 06:25 AM.
    previous toyo's - 2 celica's, 5 soarer's, cressida, corolla, 3 supra's, 2 celsior's
    previous toyo engines - 18rc, 18rg, 7mgte x2, 1uzfe x5, 4agze, 1jzgte x2, 1ggte x2
    current toyo's- toyota supra jza80

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