wolf 3d to 1jz-gte

[chris davey]

Your ECU pictured on sf.com.au left the factory on an auto JZA70 Supra.

A few ECU Part numbers I had here for reference-

1JZGTE from JZX90 Chaser M/T 89661-22480
1JZGTE from JZX90 Chaser A/T 89661-22470
1JZGTE from JZA70 Supra A/T 89661-22400

Ok well that is just weird as it wasn't sump swapped previously and it was always a front sump and I have the jzx90 dash in my car so I always assumed it was jzx90 loom and ecu.

Cruz: alrighty then. That is assuming that it starts at all! Because I still have to guess which of the 4 cam wires to use. The people that tried to install it last time have chopped some cam wires and then rejoined and it is impossible to work out which is which.

Thanks for the help guys

also, any issues with getting the ne - and the ne the wrong way around?

[CrUZida]

Yeah, Wolf is very particular about getting polarity right.

Best thing to do is to wire it up such that you thing you have the cam/crank angle sensors right, and at least coil pack #1 right, and then crank it over with timing light on #1.
Make sure its about the 0-10btdc mark.

And even if you have a couple of coils wrong, it will still run if the rest is right.

[wilbo666]

Why don't you unplug the ECU end and then use a multimeter (and knowing the ECU pin outs) work it all out from there?

It shouldn't all be as hard as you are making it dude!

Cheers
Wilbo

[manny]

JZZ30 ECU to Igniter wiring

IGT1 Pin 24 plug S - R-W
IGT2 Pin 16 plug S - R-BL
IGT3 Pin 15 plug S - BL-B
IGT4 Pin 26 plug S - BL-W
IGT5 Pin 30 plug S - R-Gr
IGT6 PIn 29 plug S - R-B
IGF1 Pin 12 plug S - R-Y

JZZ30 ECU to NE, G1, G2 wiring

NE Pin 5 plug T - BL-Gr
NE- Pin 6 plug T - BL-Y
G1 Pin 10 plug T - W
G1- Pin 11 plug T - OR
G2 Pin 16 plug T - OR-BL
G2- Pin 17 plug T - W-BL

[chris davey]

Ok, I have it wired and have tried cranking but no go.

I have tried all 4 cam sensor wires. I am pretty sure I have the ne- and ne sorted. I went by the fact that cruz reckons red is positive so I checked the pinouts and worked out which one that was and then worked out what colour wire mine was and connected it to 27 & 28.

I have the igniter wired

igt 1 to igt 1&6
igt 2 to igt 2&5
igt3 to igt 3&4

I have checked the settings in the wolf and I have it on dual pulse and 6 cylinder with three ignition outputs.

It is cranking over and depending on which cam sensor we have connected it does different things. Has tried to start so it was sparking but wouldn't do it.

What is the next step?

[chris davey]

Why don't you unplug the ECU end and then use a multimeter (and knowing the ECU pin outs) work it all out from there?

It shouldn't all be as hard as you are making it dude!

Cheers
Wilbo

I know which ones are my igt 1-6 I was trying to work out from the wolf diagram I have which ones were connected to igt 1-3 coming out of the wolf. You know what I'm sayin'?

[chris davey]

I might see if I can borrow the signal conditioning box tomorrow to see if that is the issue as Mr Shin said they required that on the 1jz falcon with wolf that he wired up.

[chris davey]

ok I have the signal conditioning box hooked up now. So I tried to start it with the different possibilities of ne-, ne and g1,g1- (or g2- and g2). Anyway, I now have no spark whatsoever.

I checked for power at the coil packs and there is 12v in so for some reason the igniter is not doing its thing.

Have tried all combinations except 1 but I don't think that would matter as I thought that it would still spark but just at the wrong time.

Basically, I need ne- and ne to go to pins 27 and 28. (unsure which way) Then I need g1- or g1 to go to pin 6 and which ever one of them isn't used should be connected to pin 27. So if I used ne- at 27 then I would use g1- at 27 also and g1 at 6.

So any ideas as to what I am doing wrong. Really need some help here.

Thanks

Chris

[MacroP]

JZZ30(up to 1996) ECU Engine speed sensor: NE= Blue/Green, NE- = Blue/Yellow.

This is straight from the JDM Toyota Electrical manual.

Cam sensors.
G1 = White, G1- = Orange
G2 = Orange/Blue, G2- = White/Blue

WHOOPS, manny beat me to it.

[TA22-3SGTE]

I don't know what sort of ignition setup is in the wolf but this is the ignition setup for a Haltech on a 2jzgte , Trigger type ( 24 tooth + 1 , full sync ) Trigger edge (Falling ) , Home edge ( Rising ) Trigger angle ( 80 degree BTDC ) , Tooth offset ( 9 ) , Spark edge ( Falling ) , Dwell Mode ( Constant charge ) using the front cam sensor . Hope some of this helps .
Both the Ne- & G1- should goto a sensor ground . NE is trigger G1 is home .
Hope some of this helps .


Trevor

[CrUZida]

Yeah, sounds like the ignitor is not doing its thing.
Can't help you though, never played with a 1JZ ignitor, only in factory loom.

[chris davey]

thanks ta22 - 3sgte. I will wire it up that way except I will try with both cam sensors as others have said to use the rear cam sensor as it is the intake.

I am going to put another igniter in it and see if there is any difference. I am hoping that there won't be as I will be pissed if my igniter is stuffed.

[chris davey]

Also as per this document

http://www.wolfems.com.au/support/su...alertech/tech1

I need the trigger sequence reset count. I am unsure what it would be on a 24+1 setup for a 6 cylinder.

[1jzracing]

Hey i might be able to help with your delemma!! i have become a bit of a wolf expert.... dont quote me too seriously there! ... having run a wolf for a few years on my 1jz sports sedan even got the maps etc and ran it in full sequential, waste spark and with a cdi AAAALLL USING THE STANDARD IGNITER! and it worked a treat even on 23psi and
285rwkw

The first thing to mention is wolf will upgrade a 3D to a 3Dplus, cos i had mine done!

the main thing i am a little perplexed about is how do you expect run a crank triger and sync trigger on the standard 3D when it only has one trigger input!!! the plus has a trigger and sync input and it is a sinch!

as for the ignighter i just used the 2jzgte wiring diagram from www.mkiv.com and at the end of the day it doesnt matter what input wire is used on the igniter as long as the same output channel is used to fire the desired coil other than that there is just a power and earth wire cant be too hard,

if you want to run 2 coils from the one ecu output then the wolf will have no problem feeding two input on the igniter just hook them together, as an experiment i ran 2 coils from the one ignighter channel and it also ran parfectly buy not sure of its long term reliability that way

if you want more info like maps let me know

by the way if you want to run a CDI then you still might need to run an igniter of some sort before the cdi as most cdi's are triggered by pulling an input to earth not by a 5v signal like the wolf puts out

[Hen]

Wolf V4 non-plus can run sync and ref. Mine currently does.

Chris, if an ignition setup for a 4AGZE would help things then drop me a PM.

Hen