Improved prod. race car

[dave368]

yo guys are crazy!!! talking about spending over 100k is just nuts.

Yeah but most of it is just talk, not many people spend that much or if they do, they do it over a number of years. Keep something long enough and you'll spend a heap on it.

Speaking to the BSM team, they may well have spent that much over the past couple of seasons but they do have the best of everything on Dave's car and done a shed load of track time to get it where it is.

[Megz]

There is lots of good info and guys willing to answer questions on http://www.techmasters.com.au/forum . Also have a forsale section so might give you a good idea whats around. And the cost.
Cheers
Mic

[takai]

Yeah, the talk of 100k is ludicrous. My entire ClassA build has cost about $12k sofar, and its not really a budget build either.
I think with a bit of skill you coudl get a ClassA car together and running for under $8k, of which $2k would be the cage. Would be uber competitive in SA as well, given that as of November there will be a sum total of 3 ClassA cars in the category (with mine being on stands).

[Fish]

yeah Takai your lucky. I am not haven't found many people knowledgable over here to help setting the gemini up but i'm giving it ago

[HAVABEER]

some of the newish celica's came with a 2.2ltr engine?

[takai]

yeah Takai your lucky. I am not haven't found many people knowledgable over here to help setting the gemini up but i'm giving it ago

Heh, setup is all so much fun. Im mainly lucky because a lot of the parts were developed for dorifto, and with a few modifications could easily be used for circuit. I guess that is the advantage of using a common car. Pity TakumiTax(TM) came in after I started.

[jezza323]

Pity TakumiTax(TM) came in after I started.

And it grows everytime some 17 yr old drifter wanna be writes off his awesome drift weapon 4ac sprinter

[indigoid]

OP sounds like he wants to buy podium places. Lame. Watching a Ferrari F360 racecar get pwned by an MX5 at Wakefield park earlier this year was one of the most hilarious experiences of my entire life. Seeing Ash Birks pwn almost the entire over-2L field with his under-2L Gemini (combined grid) at the recent FoSC round at Wakefield was great as well. These are memories I will treasure for a long, long time.

In reply to another post... if you think spending $100k in IPRA (in NSW at least) is crazy talk you are quite deluded. The BSM guys have probably spent that much just on GT-R front diffs and gearboxes this year. :-( Even in under-2L there are guys spending huge gobs of cash.

Dave's the man. Check out his forums.

[merc-blue]

It may be different up there but the current class leaders down here must be quite abit faster than what you have u there, currently there is a reshelled V8supercar winning most of it and some crazy SR20DETs killing even the RX7s
maybe 100K was over exaggerated but there is quite abit of money involved to get u the front down here.

I would be looking at a 84 corolla, 3SGTE, KE70?? AE71 (did either have a coil sprung rear?)
There are millions of small things that would change the car from a decent car to a amazing car,
Its thinks like barreled axels, ChoMo tailshafts and real "produciton" car racing bits that will make the real difference

abusing rules like fuel tank must be in the same general possition eg in the back, would become right at the very extreme back and 100mm from the ground,
Extending the steering colom (using long boss) plus floor mounted pedal box and sitting the driver as far back and low as you can,
Rules like the 750mm from rotating axis on the pedals can be worked around with abit of thought
you give a good chance of moving a driver a good 100-150mm back (thats quite alot)

You should be able to build a 850KG car (on the grid)

[crownman]

Message to indigoid 1 Podiums are of no interest to me.I am 66 years old!!!!!!!

2 Wanting to build a race car cannot be LAME
3 I have a huge disslike of rotories.

4 Why are RX7's IP cars when the rules demanded 4 seats?????
Anyway I have been racing for 9 years and have 50 odd trophies to prove my old Toyota crown is not too bad.
Last round of the NSW state Super Sprint Championship at Wakefield Pk.1. 8.1 secs. with a 1JZ and 1 old high/flowed CT26.I would't call that lame.either.
My post asked for info, Not a putdown and irrelevent twaddle.
Regards crownman.

[indigoid]

In NSW the pair of BSM GT-Rs dominated IPRA over-2L for most of the season. See previous references to Dave Loftus in this thread. While you could argue that he had big financial backing and a really fast car, it is also true that Loftus is a very bloody good driver, and this counts for much.

Personally I think IPRA under-2L is way more interesting than over-2L. There are some interesting cars and some very talented drivers, like the aforementioned Mr. Birks. The two fastest cars all year seemed to be a MkI Escort and a Civic, both with what seemed like very good drivers. If I had the funds to build an IPRA car it'd be an under-2L KE20 with probably a turbo 3K or if it could be mounted north-south a turbo 1SZ-FE, with water injection and some fancy fuel like ET102.

I bought Stewart's spare 4K-E setup with the intention of testing this out in my KE26 ;-) but have been too busy to look at it for a long while now

[indigoid]

I would say RX7s are racing in IP because they were homologated as touring cars.

I guess I misread your post, and for that I apologise. Though I didn't say anywhere that wanting to build a racecar was lame. I'd love to have the resources (mainly time and facilities ie. garaging) to do so. I passed on a cheap KE20 for sale years ago that had a lot of the tiresome stuff already done (body prep, cage, seat, harnesses, (re)wiring, fuel cell, battery box) and have regretted it ever since

[3sgem]

that last time out at the creek got pwned by a (homebuilt) turbo starlet. (and from memory the same car did the same lap times as rx7s in N/A form)

cheers
linden

If you think this car is a backyard job built on the cheap then your dreaming!!!!!!!! As an IPRA competitor I know that this is a serious race car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[takai]

RX7s run in IP because they were Group A homologated.

[The Real Roadrunner]

If you think this car is a backyard job built on the cheap then your dreaming!!!!!!!! As an IPRA competitor I know that this is a serious race car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

where did i state it was a backyard job?or cheap?. i simply stated that dave built most of it himself (or with friends) and considering im good mates with his engine builder as well as help out geoff (one of the BSM teamates) i know pretty much all the components in the car.

cheers
linden