Pics of S13 susp into AE86 and RA23 fitment

[WDE_BDY]

yeah I know that...but the smallest ford falcon wheel is a 16" steelie...the good wheels are all 17 and 18" and 17" on a sprinter...

yuck

Depends what offset you are looking for. I measured some ED Fairmont wheels the other day, around a 6-7P offset. AU I think it was went to gay offsets closer to 40P from memory. Mags for early Falcon in 14" or 15" should be pretty easy to find, depends on the style of wheel you want really.

Callum

[Wezelton]

Keeping the wheels 4 stud would be the best idea on a sprinter.

But on another note, this set up will work with xA6x chassis.. Think back to when alot of people were doing the RA60 front strut/brake upgrade on sprinters. The control arms will fit celicas/supras, matching tie rod ends is easy and the RA60/5 can run the S13 camber tops with slight filing.

Cruzida's brake upgrade for the rear would also work out well on the IRS xA6x's along with big nissan front brakes.

Running 5 stud hubs on a supra would be fine, they like big rims. Mmm r32 GTR rims would be so mean on a supra!

Really you could go pretty nuts with this.

Wes.

+ Rep for Hen and Stanza!!

[WDE_BDY]

What I'm looking for is a front 5 stud conversion to match my MS112 disc brake diff in my KE70. So looking to push the front track out by 25mm ish each side. The S13 arm seems to get around 10mm per side, the MX62 around 20mm so is probably the best option for me if used with S14 parts. I understand you didn’t measure the camber, but do you think it would be easy enough to bring back to 0 or -1 sort of area? Update us with how you get the steering hooked up, the other thread mentioned xA6x rack ends which I happen to have and a Bluebird tierod end but not details on which Bluebird. Intending to measure up a stock S13 this weekend just to see how all the mounting points compare to the KE70.

Callum

[Hen]

Callum

I too have a MS112 diff waiting to go in, so 5stud all round would be nice. And yes, it was the AU Ford which went to crap high offset.

By eye the camber we got was (remember with stock strut tops):
MX62 arms, max positive camber on coilover mount ------- 1-2 degrees negative
S13 arms, max positive camber on coilover mount -------- 0-1 degree positive
S13 arms, max negative camber on coilover mount -------- 1-2 degres negative

That's very rough, you should be able to get a bit of an idea from the photos too.

Hen

[The Witzl]

excellent thread guys.... this is going to the FAQ once a little more info is posted up

[Rallystanza]

Just a few more things on developments of brakes and the like.

You should note that yes, we were running the standard AE86 strut top for all this stuff, and the camber was only adjusted using the slotted bolt hole on the S13 strut. Even adjusting camber from here, the difference was noticable. So once a adjustable top hat is fitted with the setup, using either arm, you will be able to obtain very usable camber setting at both ends of the camber scale.

On the brakes, I was fitting up Z32/R32 4 pots and discs (redrilled to 4 stud) and i found using the superlites pictured in the first few pics, that i thought to have heaps of caliper to spokes clearance, these would need about a 10mm spacer. With my new wheels, same superlites just in a 15x8" neg 4 offset, the clearance was much better however a spacer was still needed for the front face with "NISSAN" on it to clear the spokes. SO the decision was made to ditch the Z32/R32 setup and go for the R33 turbs setup using the 296mm rotor. This setup pushes the caliper outward another 8mm and helps to clear more of the spokes. However, it seems a very small spacer (~3mm) will still be needed even after grinding the letters off or I will take a very very small amount out of the wheel casting in what is already a built up section.. I will be able to confirm some more of this once my own wheels arrive.

Oh and BTW the Z32/R32 and R33 all fit quite well diameter wise in the wheel, the discs of course being 280mm and 296mm respectively.

The other thing as mentioned with the S13 arm is that the crush tube ID on the S13 is ~14mm as opposed to the AE86 and MX62 ID of ~12mm. Instead of drilling out the crossmember to suit the S13 crush tube ID of ~14mm, i am going to see if we can get a crush tube made that is the right length (~60mm) and have an AE86 (~12mm) ID with the S13 (~14mm) OD. This will mean no drilling out cross member holes therefore letting you return to stock in the future. And besides, I just dont like the idea of drilling it out.

Any more questions fire away.

Jez

[EVOSTi]

i found the same problem with my brake clearance.
im currently using hilux 4 spots on the front and my 15x7's clear these easily, however when i tried my rims over my S13 hubs with S14 4 spots and discs i had nowhere near enough clearance. the toyota setup has the calipers and discs further inboard, but the nissan having the floating discs setup has the caliper mountee further out. i want to keep my rims so i will have to go down to S13 single piston brakes which is a shame cause ill have 6 less pistons in the front, but slightly larger discs so hopefully its ok

[horse]

here's a variation of that setup done before but with the 5stud convo done too

s14 hubs and r33 296mm DBA 4000 series disc, and with r32 GTR 16x8s

[mongrel]

some factory rb20 turbo powered cefiro's(sports cruiser model i think) runs five stud + 4 pot calipers on the front, how pretty much, close enough to use for s13 five stud convertions. no use using a32 cefiro....it's just a maxima with a badge change(FWD).

[Rallystanza]

here's a variation of that setup done before but with the 5stud convo done too

Well yeah I have seen that on Horse man as you know and the other good thing on that setup is that with the S14 hubs you can run the cover on the back of the disc to stop stones and shit getting in there. With the S13 hub the cover needs to be bent beyond use. However, maybe if the hub is removed from the spindle and the brakes cover is swapped for an S14 or R33 one then this may work or may not.

Jez

[Rallystanza]

I can't remember what the disc is (maybe NA R33 4door) but I'll try and find out.

Hen

Hen,

This NA disc you speak of is 4x114.3 PCD but is thinner. Need to find out if the caliper is different to accomodate the thinner disc.

Jez

[The Witzl]

i found the same problem with my brake clearance.
im currently using hilux 4 spots on the front and my 15x7's clear these easily, however when i tried my rims over my S13 hubs with S14 4 spots and discs i had nowhere near enough clearance. the toyota setup has the calipers and discs further inboard, but the nissan having the floating discs setup has the caliper mountee further out. i want to keep my rims so i will have to go down to S13 single piston brakes which is a shame cause ill have 6 less pistons in the front, but slightly larger discs so hopefully its ok

Looks like i'll have the same problems Sir EVO.... any chance i can drop over to test fit my Simmons on your S13 setup?

[EVOSTi]

no problems as long as its not this weekend, ill be in qld.
i have both the 4 spot S14 disc/caliper setup as well as the bigger than ca18, sr20det single piston setup.

[The Witzl]

awesome.... will tee it up sometime later then

[Lambolica]

I want to bring up this thread again.....

Did any of you guys work out the difference in the distance from the ball joint to the mounting face of the standard AE86 or RA23 Strut and the mounting face of the S13 Spindle/Hub combo?

I want to use the same theory and apply it to a different crossmember setup.

From what I can work out from this thread and info from the LCA thread is...

Assuming (on AE86) that if you used the Standard LCA and fitted the S13 Spindle you would get a -20mm in the mounting face. Is this correct?

As you would like more track at the front you are looking for an LCA about 50mm longer (so 50mm - 20mm = 30mm extra track each side) Correct?

My issue is this. following from TA-022's RA60 Crossmember conversion into RA28. The Factory Track for RA28 is 1335. The track for the RA60 is approx 1395 (need confimation)

Going on the assumption that the wheel offsets are similar, using an RA60 Crossmember, LCA will give 30mm extra track each side.(approx could be up to 40mm)

According to S13 Spindle use outlined above by running the S13 (assuming S14 is similar) I will have the extra 30mm from the RA60 LCA - 20mm from the S13/14 spindle giving an overall change of 10mm wider track.

The result being In Theory using the RA60 factory suspension geometry and using S13 Coilovers, S14 spindle and Hub. I should be able to retain the factory geometry with the options of big brake upgrade and Pretty much Bolt together. with only minor increas in track.

Is this correct or is there some flaw in the theory? The other question woulg be what ball joint to use, (will S14 BJ work) (I have no idea at this point I'm mainly trying to limit the trial and error to get this to work.

Cheers
Simon