Seperate section for "dedicated" threads?

[river]

Hi,

I guess you hope someone from the Board reads this thread and let's us know. Failing that you can email the Board directly.

seeyuzz
river

[Andrew162]

yeah sounds like Josh is already on the case.

[PlacentaJuan]

Hi,

I guess you hope someone from the Board reads this thread and let's us know. Failing that you can email the Board directly.

seeyuzz
river

nah i just like complaining when i get bored

[PlacentaJuan]

so is anything happening on this?

just a little bit of maths:

on the first page (which for my setup will display 50 threads per page) there are 13 'dedicated' threads = 26% of the threads taken up by dedicated threads.

however the most threads i can see visible on my SCREEN (at 1024x768) is 17 threads which means the dedicated threads take up 76% of my viewable screen, leaving room for only 4 threads without having to scroll.

since we have a new contender: The ARISTO THREAD (aweseome thread btw) maybe we could use it to work out how a 'dedicated' thread is born.

I say make a rule like: if a thread stays on the front page for at least 3 months then it should be dedicated!

if it dies out and is reguarly off the first page then leave it be!

[RONA]

There is no way to make some stickies at the bottom of the page. The conclusion come to at the board meeting where my position was, I'd rather see them not exist, was that people could "man up" and scroll past the 6 or so threads if they don't interest them.

I thought it was already resolved, live with it.

[BigWorm]

Shut up rona, there's obviously members not satisfied with that resolution.

[oldcorollas]

i think the limit should be sayy.. 500 posts??

once a thread reaches that, it is either whoring, or a dedicated whoring thread

some non-dedicated threads have many posts also.. but for the threads with 5000 or 7000posts.... can you imagine a noob actually reading thru the 7000 posts to find an answer? not going to happen. if they were all relevant posts, then maybe, but the reality is that the "friendly atmosphere" = "posting a lot of random crap and chitchat" and really, the dedicated thread participants could just as easily contact each other by MSN or yahoo messenger and stop posting 1 line replies/comments....

sometimes i do post in dedicated threads (rarely) but usually only when alerted by someone to add technical input to correct mistakes ....

[Andrew162]

i think the limit should be sayy.. 500 posts??

once a thread reaches that, it is either whoring, or a dedicated whoring thread

some non-dedicated threads have many posts also.. but for the threads with 5000 or 7000posts.... can you imagine a noob actually reading thru the 7000 posts to find an answer?

that's where the "Search within Thread" option (great little tool) comes in handy.

sometimes i do post in dedicated threads (rarely) but usually only when alerted by someone to add technical input to correct mistakes ....

contributing to the overall whoredom.

[oldcorollas]

that's where the "Search within Thread" option (great little tool) comes in handy.
contributing to the overall whoredom.

but it is unlikely the noobs can even find that, let alone use it...
if they do, they won't be asking questions, and thus less reason for the threads in the first place

overall whoredom? dunno about that.

for example, in one thread, someone starts saying incorrectly that the aluminium alloy different intercoolers are made of makes a big differencce to their efficiency, etc etc,

so there is another problem with those threads....
sometimes the collective genius there could benefit from information from a wider audience

[Andrew162]

please...... EVERY n00b asks a question within a dedicated thread before searching for an answer.

I'm sure someone will point them in the right direction, I know I do when a n00b posts on the 162 thread. there's plenty of time and opportunity to learn in these forums.

I'm also sure that if the question requires a "specialist" opinion, it will most likely be posted up in the Tech forums, if it's not there already. not everyone has the answer to everything like you seem to.

but this is digressing, the issue is these Dedicated threads, not parts of them which should be posted elsewhere. Dedicated threads help out those people with these models of Toyota's more efficiently with certain issues and fixes and suggestions for their individual cars. once you post on there, you're automatically subscribed to that thread.
the people that post on these threads aren't always talking shit. useful pieces of info like projects or DIY's are readily available for those people who wish to know about it, and who are willing enough to take the time to look for it WITHIN that thread. I'm sure I know a lot of people who've asked about info within a Dedicated thread, and most people who are regular contributors will point them in the right direction for the info they need.

the 'wider audience' you refer to would be aimed more towards the Tech-related forums, but to do this it would mean that no one on a Dedicated thread would be able to help a person out with a certain issue, or had never encountered it before, and therefore ask about a particular issue away from the Dedicated thread. that's all well and good, and the answer may be in the Tech forums in which case they (should) search for it. but by the same token, there's nothing to stop the people with other 'collective genius' experience from dropping in little tid-bits of info here or there, which just might be useful to them and their rides, in order to help out another Toymodder.

[oldcorollas]

please...... EVERY n00b asks a question within a dedicated thread before searching for an answer.
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useful pieces of info like projects or DIY's are readily available for those people who wish to know about it, and who are willing enough to take the time to look for it WITHIN that thread.

so are people willing or not willing??

the 'wider audience' you refer to would be aimed more towards the Tech-related forums, but to do this it would mean that no one on a Dedicated thread would be able to help a person out with a certain issue, or had never encountered it before, and therefore ask about a particular issue away from the Dedicated thread.

i would contend, that the WHOLE forum is tech related, or should be.
i would also contend that if people in the dedicated threads aren't venturing out of their little chit chat hole, then they are missing out on a real toymods experience
if they cannot help outside of the dedicated thread.. sucks to be them

i think asking questions away from dedicated threads is a good thing. you get more feedback, more help etc...

it seems you are promoting the dedicated threads as areas for chitchat and where noobs are encouraged to ask many questions instead of taking the time to search?
i'm not sure why though?


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I'm also sure that if the question requires a "specialist" opinion, it will most likely be posted up in the Tech forums, if it's not there already. not everyone has the answer to everything like you seem to.

and you know why that is? cos i take the fucken time to actually read and actually SEARCH for answers.... i take notice of other peoples replies, and seek out answers to things people haven7t asked yet.. starting from way back on the world toymods list....
ie, if you put in effort, you learn stuff.....

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[Andrew162]

what i'm saying is that someone who's new to the forums (as a whole) will either get slayed by yourself for being a wookie and for not searching for a potential answer within these vast spaces of tech-related forums, or find some more friendly people with their type of car on a dedicated thread, or in the odd chance that someone who doesn't have a car that has representation in the dedicated threads (yes, been there, done that... ) they have to piece together info from cars with likeness to theirs by way of similar issues and the like. no, not everyone who posts in a dedicated thread sticks solely to that thread, and yes it would suck if that were the case. however most people on here will only post to something that have experience and/or valuable input on (if they have any sense), and that would apply to any forum on this site.

you also have more chance of getting told that the answer for your query lies within the dedicated thread for your car if you ask elsewhere. it all depends on if you know how to use a search function too.

sorry if it seems like I'm promoting a dedicated thread for it's benefits, but that's essentially why they are there. yes I'm a part of one and I know how they work. it's not for useless chit-chat, and n00bs are not encouraged to ask questions instead of searching. I usually point them in the right direction if I can, or someone else who's a contributor to that thread will do the same. but what do you refer to as chit-chat - someone who doesn't talk about their issues/ideas/suggestions with their's and other's cars? I've seen MANY other threads in the tech forums digress off-topic. it's the nature of the beast.

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and you know why that is? cos i take the fucken time to actually read and actually SEARCH for answers.... i take notice of other peoples replies, and seek out answers to things people haven7t asked yet.. starting from way back on the world toymods list....
ie, if you put in effort, you learn stuff.....

there's just not enough of us around like you Stew. also not everyone's as much into learning stuff, only what they need/want to know.

[oldcorollas]

also not everyone's as much into learning stuff, only what they need/want to know.

ahh, you mean the people who want to USE the forum, not CONTRIBUTE?

as long as your chitchat stays in the dedicated thread and doesn't bring down the rest of the forum

what you will find is that some people who can contribute, WON'T (and aren't) because they can't be bothered reading 2 or 3 pages of random one line posts every day....

you also have more chance of getting told that the answer for your query lies within the dedicated thread for your car if you ask elsewhere. it all depends on if you know how to use a search function too.

really? i would never send someone into a dedicated thread unless they were asking something entirely specific.. like... what size bolt is used on a flywheel for an xxxx model..

the main problem is that wookies don't use the search function
but if wookies stay in the dedicated threads... and the post counts don't get stupid (hm.. out of 7000 posts, thats a lot of info if they are all useful )

but what do you refer to as chit-chat

Couldn't sleep so naturally resorted to a bit of toymods haha
You been hitting the piss again jorrs?

hahahah yep, been out on topwn again had an early one but
just makin a toastyy and tea

anyway I got to go to bed so i can get up bright and early and install bumpstops followed by night shift work lol . yeh for me. Cya's later.

this comes awfully close (mind you, everytime some chit chat is selected from teh big thread, ppl get annoyed )

basically, pick any page of your big thread, and yes there is good content (and predominantly 1 or 2 line replies, but there is a whole lot of chat as well... thats fine.. but why not actually organise a chat room on IRC, or talk to each other by MSN/email/whatever.....

toymods is not Myspace

[Andrew162]

Stew, it's not the aim of this idea to make things personal, which it seems you are. Just because I'm part of a dedicated thread doesn't mean that the input into that thread isn't useful. Seems that you like to dissect the parts of the dedicated thread to suit your own conclusions, but all-in-all that's not the whole story, and anyone who's a contributor to any dedicated thread will tell you the same story. Granted that most of the time we're on here to discuss our cars and issues that we have with them, somehow things slide into off-topic mode, which would resemble IRC, ICQ or MSN, choose you favourite three-letter-acronym. I believe that the regular contributors to those threads wouldn't mind skipping past the "chitchat" as I do, and actually read-up on factual car-related stuff instead of personal issues. I'm sure the chatty ones already have a chat thing organised and probably don't use it as much as they maybe should. While you're making this personal now, are you a part of a dedicated thread at all? You know it's quite a bit different when you're not standing on the outside looking in.

However, no amount of typing will change your opinion (or mine), we both have our respective viewpoints so let's get back to the topic instead of chit-chatting about nothings.