eep. no oil in filter upon removal 3sgte

[millsi]

so im in the middle of changing a hg and i remove the filter and its dry and i mean dry no signs of oil what so ever!
how much should i expect sum1 to replace the oil pump with a new one?
luckily the car hasnt gone far since the new filter was put on (less than 500kms) oil pressure gauge was working but fluctuated a bit.
on a side note do i need i need to keep the tvis crap in my intake manifold?

[Starfire]

I would be very concerned if the filter has had no oil going through it.

It is the first thing in the oil circut so it sounds like there has been no oil going through the engine. If this is the case it may have been the cause of the HG blowing and you may have damaged things like cam journals and main bearings.

A new oil pump is reasonably expensive - probably $2-300 and it's a pretty big job to change it. Basically all the pulleys and timing belt need to come off. If you are competent enough to do the HG you should also be find doing the oil pump yourself as I dare say you already have the timing belt and stuff off.

TVIS is not required but on a stock engine it will improve performance (and more importantly torque) in the low to mid range. I was not aware that TVIS was fitted to the 3SGTE - I thought it was only standard on the NA engine. Is this a factory GTE or a modified engine?

[CLG]

I find it hard to believe the filter was completely dry, and looked as new especially if you've driven 500Kms without the motor coming to a screaming mess?!?! I'd propose you've installed a filter without a drainback bung, and the oil has simply drained back into the sump over a small amount of time (hot oil moves quite fast remember!). Personally, I'd install either a genuine filter or a Ryco filter - these have a drainback bung, and will hold oil in the filter upon motor shutdown. Ideally, Toyota would stop installing filters up side down so oil retension would follow the laws of gravity, and remain full on shutdown!!!

As for the TVIS - thats up to you - you'll lose power down low, and pick it up up high - it won't be enough to notice, but you can talk it up down at the pub, after you drive above 4000rpm everywhere to take advantage of removing it?!

[Starfire]

Hey! I drive everywhere at 4000 RPM! mostly cause it's more fun that way

[CLG]

Hey! I attract attention and get shit fuel economy at 4000 RPM! mostly cause it's more fun that way

fixed for you!

[Bahnugget]

yeah agree with clint on this one, its likely the oil has just drained back into the sump. And since you've only done 500K's its not suprising the filter still looks new.

Removing the TVIS plate is only useful if you're running a really high level of boost, so much so that TVIS is restricting it, but its not worth removing.

oh, and starfire, it was factory on Gen1 3SGTE's..

[Starfire]

fixed for you!

Heheh

I dont really (not always anyway )

[Starfire]

yeah agree with clint on this one, its likely the oil has just drained back into the sump. And since you've only done 500K's its not suprising the filter still looks new.

Removing the TVIS plate is only useful if you're running a really high level of boost, so much so that TVIS is restricting it, but its not worth removing.

oh, and starfire, it was factory on Gen1 3SGTE's..

Cool, Thanks.

I havnt had as much to do with the 3SGTE as I might like. Still looking for an ST165...

[Andrew162]

Are you sure the filter you had on there doesn't have an anti-drain-back valve, like most oil filters do? There was no oil in it whatsoever?? Bad bad bad bad bad....

millsi, if you want a really thorough look at the benefits of T-VIS (3S-GE's and early GTE's), then I'd suggest you check out this link. Recommended reading.

http://toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1577


Cheers.

[millsi]

thanks guys. its a gen 2 but the intake might not be standard as the plenum i a custom made jobby.
the car had been sitting for 3 weeks before i pulled the filter off so hopefully thats the prob.
it is a ryco though. i wanted to fit genuine but with the intake for the turbo i didnt have enough room. there was plenty of oil on removal of the valve cover

[Mr Revhead]

if its the specified filter it will have the anti drain back valve.

also ryco = shit. iv seen many a ryco filter with failed anti drain valve

[millsi]

nice thread. looks like i may as well remove it as im running an aftermarket ems.

[millsi]

with my new turbo set up it will be moved so im able to fit a stock oil filter

[Starfire]

I would reccomend that you invest in a remote filter mount. You can also include an oil cooler in series with it.

It means that you can mount the filter pretty much anywhere and dont have any clearance issues.

[CLG]

Or do what I've done and use a gen 3 sump and pickup - they have their oil filters alongside the sump.