FAQ - National Code of Practice - NCOP Thread

[greywolf]

Thanks for the clarification, while reading Bubsie's Hilux build today I half guessed that's what a seperate chassis design must be, and you've filled in the missing blanks for the monocoque construction. Thanks mate, + rep for you !

[millsi]

National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa.../vsb_ncop.aspx

[V8surf]

Just thought that I would update anyone who is interested.

The NCOP will not come into effect until start of 2009 for QLD (officially from QT via email). As such, the QLD Code of Practice is still being used.

Could be useless info, but pretty sure I didn't read any dates in the 7 pages of this thread.

Cheers.

[love ke70]

i found out the same thing today V8 surf, bloke on the phone said hopefully fully implemented by start of next year.
was ringing around about cages and re-engineering my 1ggte ke70, and one bloke went so far as to say the regs state if it doesnt come with a turbo, you cant put a turbo motor in it...righttttt...but he would engineer a weld in 6 point cage....very interesting.
so i did some ringing, and one bloke said his mate will do it all, but wouldnt give me the mates number...
another one said cages have to be bolt in only, cant even weld rear....once again, wtf
rung qld transport, oh, ive no idea, ill fax you a list of approved engineers, yep, nearly the same list i got about 3 years ago from them, not much luck with that yet...

hopefully more joy tomorrow...

[Esteban]

I was going to suggest we all start building trailers and track cars, but really that's just moving out of one regulation birds nest into another...

Maybe we should all build or own racetrack instead :-)

[4DaDrift]

Edited post.

[PuGZoR]

4DaDrift, have a feeling that applies to stock vehicle engines, or "equivalent vehicle engines" in vehicles prior to 1986. "Performance engines" will require upgrading of various things like brakes, etc, as well as an emissions test if I read it correctly.

Apparently these regs will be picked up by QLD Trans in the new year sometime, possibly modified slightly.

[cyberdiamond]

No emission reqirements before 1972 see below for post 1972

Summary of Emission Requirements for New Petrol Passenger Cars In Australia 1972 - 2010

Standard Date Introduced # Exhaust Emission Limits (petrol vehicles) Source Standard / Test Method
HC CO NOx

ADR26 1/1/72 NA 4.5% by vol NA Idle CO test

ADR27 1/1/74 8.0 - 12.8 g/test 100 - 220 g/test & 4.5% by vol NA ECE 'Big Bag'

ADR27A 1/7/76 2.1 g/km 24.2 g/km 1.9 g/km US '72 FTP

ADR27B 1/1/82 2.1 g/km 24.2 g/km 1.9 g/km US '72 FTP

ADR27C + 1/1/83 2.1 g/km 24.2 g/km 1.9 g/km US '72 FTP

ADR37/00 1/2/86 0.93 g/km 9.3 g/km 1.93 g/km US '75 FTP

ADR37/01 1/1/97 - 1/1/99 0.26 g/km 2.1 g/km 0.63 g/km US '75 FTP

ADR79/00 1/1/03 - 1/1/04 0.25*g/km 2.2 g/km 0.25* g/km UN ECE R83/04 (Euro 2)

ADR79/01 1/1/05 - 1/1/06 0.2 g/km 2.3 g/km 0.15 g/km UN ECE R83/05 (Euro 3)

ADR79/02 1/7/08 - 1/7/10 0.1 g/km 1.0 g/km 0.08 g/km UN ECE R83/05 (Euro 4)

# where 2 dates specified, first date applies to vehicle models first produced on or after that date, with all new vehicles required to comply by the second date.
+ ADR27C introduced a number of administrative changes, based on procedures of ADR37/00.
* ADR 79/00 has a combined HC+NOx limit of 0.5, so the HC:NOx split is indicative only
"NA" means no limit applies.

[5000gt]

with conversions, you have to comply with the adr's associated with the engine year... so if you have a 1972 car with an engine that came in something in 2001, you'd have to comply with the 2001 adr's.

[4DaDrift]

Edited post.

[5000gt]

wheel/tyre is dependant on the car itself (but can be changed at engineers descretion)..... noise is dependant on state laws, same with tinting..

[nilprospects]

Just thought that I would update anyone who is interested.

The NCOP will not come into effect until start of 2009 for QLD (officially from QT via email). As such, the QLD Code of Practice is still being used.

Could be useless info, but pretty sure I didn't read any dates in the 7 pages of this thread.

Cheers.

Thanks pal, this justabout made my day

So, start of 2009, we can put any displacement, n/a or forced inducted engine into a "light commercial???
i talked to a number of rta engineers that have told me i can't put a 4l V8 into my hiace, but i can put in a 2jz gte no worries

for the record, going to super x tonight in bne made my day

[oldcorollas]

+rep's for the helpful info

Pity about it going off the engines date.
Was looking into installing a late 90's engine, with an after market turbo conversion, into a 71 or earlier car!
Would of been nice to be able to ignore emissions.

Actually, do they also apply to other area's like noise emissions, tinting, wheel/tyre width etcetera ?

please actually READ the NCOP from the links at start of thread

nice to ignore emissions? i would have thought it would have been nice to make it have non-poisonous emissions instead?

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...s_3Feb2006.pdf
page 9..
convert to unleaded
fit cat convertor
ensure engine is well maintained....
but.. fit an engine complying to ADR37 where possible!

that is for standard type engines

for performance engines or addition of turbo/SC... cars from 69-88 must comply with second edition ADR's (page 17 and 22)

so... seems it is a catchall that you need to comply with 2nd ed ADR for pre 88 (post 69), which means ADR27.... which is?

hmm, 2nd ed ADR in section LO says ADR27 is from 1/74 on..
ADr26 says all crankcase gases must be sealed form escape (72 on) = no venting catch cans...

this document shows the ADR27 emissions limits
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...v-exec-sum.pdf
about 2.2g/km for HC and 2g/km for NOx
for 86 onwards it is abotu 0.9 and 1.3

edit: and i forget where and cbf going back to look but, somewhere said engine needs to continue to meet ADR37 if it previously did so...

[CrUZida]

wheel/tyre is dependant on the car itself (but can be changed at engineers descretion)..... noise is dependant on state laws, same with tinting..

Actually, assuming your state is following the NCOP's, then a) wheels/tyres are not at engineers descretion, NCOP clearly states legal limits b) noise is dependant on ADR's, c) NCOP clearly states how dark tinting can be.

If your state doesn't follow NCOP yet, then this thread can basically be ignored.

[love ke70]

Actually, assuming your state is following the NCOP's, then a) wheels/tyres are not at engineers descretion, NCOP clearly states legal limits

the NCOP is the legal limit for the vehicle, assuming all else has remained unchanged, what happens if you are fitting a different diff and different struts designed with a larger tyre in mind from factory?
does this become a grey area, or is it still original vehicle width x 1.3. or can it be read as donor vehicle original width x 1.3?