GT4 to RWD?

[JustenGT8]

So your the only one in the world to ever do a RWD GT4? I see..
The trans tunnel mods were argued about on the old forums. Dont know what you would need a new floor pan for?
Diff? Who cares? Thats not our problem!
Ratio? Again who cars its still not our problem!

Not sure what you see but that's a question you have asked, not a statement i made?? If you are interested in an answer - actually, i have no idea but have yet to see another and would be very keen to see one if another existed.

and last time i looked the trans tunnel was part of the floor pan so kinda obvious why i installed a new one.

maybe we should be talking to the rest of the 'our' to get some actually info, although if their service is so crap they don't care about the fundamentals of a build they are doing for a customer then i doubt they'll have anything useful to contribute either.

Apologies for the slight thread divergence Sleek22. For real entertainment, ask about a RWD 3SGTE conversion into a 22

seriously though unless you are looking at a seriously engineered project, a RWD GT4 is just too hard and your dollars are better spent elsewhere

[Cool1]

So a fabrication shop should care about what diff and ratios a customer wants? I guess we should do an oil change on all the cars we work on too? Maybe change the plugs? Empty the ash tray?

[JustenGT8]

Well this 'fabrication' shop dropped the engine, did the suspension, the brakes and just about everything else according to your 1st post....kinda dumb not to finish the job and look at what is actually going to make the thing move don't you think? So either this 'shop' had no idea or as you so succinctly put it, didn't care??? Not the best endorsement for customer service i have ever heard

[Cool1]

So your saying it would be best that a company went and did what they wanted and not what the customer wanted? I'm guessing the extra work should be done free of charge aswel?

[JustenGT8]

Nope, pretty clear what i said. Funny how the story changes though isn't it?...first it was the shop didn't care and now it's apparently the customer who didn't want the diff touched...nor apparently the oil changed or the ashtray cleaned, strange buggers customers. I suspect you do indeed do alot of guessing

[Cool1]

The story isn't changing at all. Your saying we should be doing this and that but for no real reason!
Why would any company care about what the customer hasn't asked them to do?

[JustenGT8]

I rarely say anything for no real reason but anyways, if i have to explain this to you perhaps you shouldn't be in business. The basic principle would be customer service and to some degree a duty of care ie so the poor bugger doesn't waste his/her dough. You wouldn't install some mega hp engine without at least checking/advising they do the brakes and the fuel system etc etc

Sure there are plenty shonky workshops out there that are only interested in taking your cash...mostly why i generally don't use workshops. If you are comfortable with that approach that's your call...i guess you were at least honest enough to make the call on a public forum so all the modders here can steer well clear.

[Cool1]

I rarely say anything for no real reason

You have proved otherwise tonight

but anyways, if i have to explain this to you perhaps you shouldn't be in business.

It does appear that you know nothing about running a business!

The basic principle would be customer service and to some degree a duty of care ie so the poor bugger doesn't waste his/her dough. You wouldn't install some mega hp engine without at least checking/advising they do the brakes and the fuel system etc etc

I at least agree with you on this.

Sure there are plenty shonky workshops out there that are only interested in taking your cash...mostly why i generally don't use workshops.

Not everyone can afford to buy welders, presses etc etc

If you are comfortable with that approach that's your call...i guess you were at least honest enough to make the call on a public forum so all the modders here can steer well clear.

I know a few people on this forum have been to our shop and were happy with the service.

Nothing we did on those cars was not unsafe. Fair enough I have no idea what the ratio in the diff is from the factory or even if it still had the standard ratios in it. The ratio in the diff has nothing at all to do with engineering safty so there is no reason at all that we should of been questioning the customer about it.
I would also suspect that if a customer specified exactly what they wanted done with the engine, gearbox, cage, suspension etc, they would probably know about other little things that also need doing.

[whatthe?]

Nothing we did on those cars was not unsafe.

So youre saying the work WAS infact unsafe? Dang, what's the name of this joint so I can avoid it like the plague.

Justen's car is a prime example of how a project should be completed. From driveline to suspension to fuel delivery to metal fab the thing is a work of art. If I was the thread starter I know whose opinion I'd be taking

[Draven]

ffs, dicks back in pants and answering the question? This is the tech section :\

My biggest question is why you would want RWD. if you want fully sik skidz, go buy a dorifto 180 - can probably grab one for under $10k, which is not much more than what you'll be up for once you mash the gt4 rear diff and need to put in something stronger. For other reasons... unless you're planning on an engine conversion (again, unless you're planning on going something crazy like gt8, the 3s should be more than enough fun!) just stick with awd

[The Witzl]

i think the problem lies with the lack of forthcoming information from shane, and thus the deductions any reasonable individual would make based on that information being mislead.....

To be honest shane, reading your initial post it does sound like your workshop performed the entire conversion. If you had clarified a few of the finer details, such as only doing the fabrication work to your customers' requirement/specification, then Justen (or for that matter, anyone else) wouldn't have come to such a conclusion that he did.

In any case - i agree, it would be rather interesting to see/hear more details regarding these RWD ST165 conversions your shop has been a part of.

[Raceflo]

Having done several RWD 3SGTE conversions, and those being into cars that were originally RWD, I know how much is involved in doing the conversion, Inlet manifold, exhaust manifold, mounts, sump, oil pick up, crank angle sensor, etc etc, so I too would be very keen to see the ST165 pics as RWD, as Justen said it would be a major conversion into the ST165 but not out of the question, just asks the question why would you do it, Justens to fit the 1uz, understand that completely, but to do the conversion and reuse the same engine? each to there own I guess.

[Hen]

I think the question revolved more around locking the centre diff and removing the front driveshafts (like most RWD Scoobys) rather than a 90degree engine rotation.

I suspect dropping and modifying the box to produce RWD wouldn't technically be too difficult, however you still will end up with lots of power through a T-series rear diff, which isn't too desirable.

Hen

[Cool1]

Having done several RWD 3SGTE conversions, and those being into cars that were originally RWD, I know how much is involved in doing the conversion, Inlet manifold, exhaust manifold, mounts, sump, oil pick up, crank angle sensor, etc etc, so I too would be very keen to see the ST165 pics as RWD, as Justen said it would be a major conversion into the ST165 but not out of the question, just asks the question why would you do it, Justens to fit the 1uz, understand that completely, but to do the conversion and reuse the same engine? each to there own I guess.

RWD 3S conversions are easy to do these days as you can buy a complete kit to do it.
Fraser Cars in NZ sell the kits. I believe this is the same place Bill Sherwood got his car from?

[Raceflo]

Wouldnt happen to have a web site for them would you, and do they do GE or GTE conversions