what is better for AE86, Tokico HTS or KYB AGX

[roadsailing]

thought your rears were 6 kg/mm

still need ot take you up on your offer too

[Rallystanza]

thought your rears were 6 kg/mm

still need ot take you up on your offer too

Yer oops,

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Jez

[Rex_Kelway]

Rex is not so sure of this HTS discontinued thing, He gets all his tokicos out of a supplier in the US and he stated that it is the AE86 Illumina's that are out of production. He also said quite clearly the HTS102's are still in production.

But anyhoo.

Rex would say that they are both wise choices and roughly on par for parformance, However The HTS are more tunable whereas the AGX have quite clearly definable settings.

Tunability is fine but where with the AGX its a matter of setting 4 rear and 3 front (or whatever) HTS could be a matter of 4.356turns front and 4.65turns rear.

Make no mistake though both are very good, even the illumina's are awesom and these if you are still able to do the celica/camaro swaperoony woud be considerably cheaper.

Just remember that adjustable shocks should not be used to add spring rate.

[roadsailing]

so would rex recommend adjusting damping rate to suit comfort/racing?

i'm not interested in doing it cheaply anymore, im planning to spend under a grand for a set of shocks and have something good for that much - he pays for what he gets!

while i don't really want ot use shocks to add spring rate, i will no doubt be cranking them higher than would be recomended for my springs, as the springs will be a compromiose between driving on the road and driving on the track.

[45aken]

T3 talk about this in the FAQ section on their website. they say that the hts's are 10% better, but are alot more expensive.
i have also heard that when compared to TRD blue's, they tokico's are more of a "drift" (i know that sound gay) shock, whereas the trd is more grip/race oriented. eg the tokico's provide better control over the car when it is oversteering.(this could be personal though)
races and events have both been won on both shocks. the 102's will support a spring rate up to 15kg, and have approximatey 45 way adjustment. i highly doubt the agx will support such heavy springs without being oversprung.

but think, what happens WHEN (not if) the hts's blow? if the agx's die, they are easily fixed and replacement costs is very low. say the tockico's are discontinued, and the front right blows, what are you going to do? IF you can get them still, you have to buy a set of 2 minium, whereas you can buy single agx shocks.

just a thought...

[xolent]

how can you measure which shock is better and put out that they are 10% better?

they are expensive, but bang fo' yo' buck the agx would stand out obviously.

i hate toshiba

[Hen]

...the 102's ... have approximatey 45 way adjustment

What does the mean exactly??

HTS102s have infinite "way" adjustment. It's a continuous turn of an adjuster, not a number of discrete clicks.

Anyway SBS, from what I have read here, you will be happy with either option.

Hen

[SRacin]

out of these two, i;d say HTS but it really depends on the tracks.

for a track car, i would be spending more than 1000 bucks on shocks, and would probably get something valved to suit.

Haha, well that all comes down to budget, im failry comppetive in my built on the cheap blacktop 4age ke70. Ive got enough grunt to be competive, just need the suspension to handle a tad better now than random mix of shocks and springs. Currently Im running completly stuffed standard KYB's in front with 400lb (7kg) springs, and kingspring "lows" at the back with some cheap pedders shocks. I am ordering some 5.xkg TRD rear springs, probably stay go up to 450lb fronts (7.8kg) when i decide on shocks.

I would not want to spend more than 300ish a corner. Can get Koni adjustable;s for around 260 a corner, but what i'd really like to know is what the low down is on TRD shocks? Are they re-branded KYB's?

[45aken]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 45aken
...the 102's ... have approximatey 45 way adjustment

What does the mean exactly??

HTS102s have infinite "way" adjustment. It's a continuous turn of an adjuster, not a number of discrete clicks.

Anyway SBS, from what I have read here, you will be happy with either option.

Hen

i know this, but if you were to buy the measuring ring thing it goes up to 45, was just making it simple to understand and compare.

how can you measure which shock is better and put out that they are 10% better?

they are expensive, but bang fo' yo' buck the agx would stand out obviously.

i hate toshiba

dont ask me, thats just what i read, and i dont doubt T3.

[roadsailing]

to add a bit, or moreso clarify...

the KYB AGX shocks are NOT cheap - they cost 910 bucks for a full set at trade price, i haven't been able to get a price any better than this.

the tokico HTS 102s are NOT suoer expensive - i can get a full set now for around 900 bucks.

thats what this thread is about, both choices cost the same - so which is better.

if i knew the AGX would be in the right range for my car i would give them more consideration, as i think they might be better all rounders and have a good 50mm or so more droop on the rear.

if you blow shocks, you either get them rebuilt or buy new ones, if you like you can try another brand - no big deal. you would probably get a good 5 years out of a set, so that is about 200 bucks a year or so.

xolent, what do you mean by toshiba?

anyway, i have decided i will get tokicos, the reduced droop doesnt bother me and you can adjust that fairly easily anyway.

thanks for all the replys, i think i'll update my short stroke shocks thread.

[Dimitri]

HTS is better its as simple as that. look at all the incredibly well sorted japanese cars, from N2 to D1.

i appreciate the lateral thinking of cross referncing differant fitments from other cars, but the HTS are designed and development for the ae86, in the land of its origin.

the range of ajustment is not very large on the agx either. i would go as far as to say not enough.

but you should be able to do alot better on the agx. ask gabe at Technotoytuning, they can on sell them to you.

one point. HTS are non rebuildable. but theyre excellent quality and will last a very long time.

get hts if you can.

[xolent]

[QUOTE=shinybluesteel]
xolent, what do you mean by toshiba?
QUOTE]

shit i meant hitachi

when t3 said they were 10% better i don't think they meant it. they said it just to clear up the image of what you pay for and what you get.

i'm quite happy with my hts's at the moment. gives me alot of adjustability and the car turns in great now, rolls alot less with just the hts102's and springs. i'd like to buy another pair if i could. but what sucks for me is that I have cut my struts to suit the tokico's so if i can't buy them again i'd have to use another short stroke shock w/ spacers or find another ae86 strut if i intend on using a full-body length shock. bit of a hassle really.

i haven't tried the agx's but if you all can remember, tsuchiya was really impressed with t3's car after test driving it with the s2000 (american tougue) . He didn't comment on the suspension, but he was impressed on how the car dynamics was balanced.

[aeeightysix]

i can still get hts if you are interested, very limited amount left tho

they are awesome shocks

[Wezelton]

The AGX rears are soft, too soft for a 6kg spring rate. The TRD are good, firm but the difference between soft and hard on the adjustment jumps quite quick. The tockicos have alot more adjustment then all of them and from soft to hard the adjustment is very gradual.

Also if you try to run the AGX (camaro) on the rear of a RA60/65 celica, if your springs are or less than 8 inches long, the shocks will be too long. Perfect length for a hachi tho.

For those who are just after short shocks, KYB suzuki sierra fronts are short and firmer than stock. Perfect for chopping the stock springs.

Hope that sheds a little light

Wes.

[SRacin]

Well TRD of Tokico sounds like a good bet. I still want to further investigate what Koni can do for me however.

sooo... Who can get the Tokico's for what cost?