LSx and 1UZ comparison & dimensions

[Hiro]

dude 302/351 windsor is 60 degree, i know this as i built one and had it in my ma61

cleveland is 90 degree same as chev.

find a photo of the cleveland vs windsor block, windsor is a LOT narrower

The 302 windsor has a shorter deck height and hance is a lot more compact than a 351C.

I can't believe you're arguing this point and using the fact you built one as an argument when it is common knowledge that the engine is a 90 degree V. I mean Ford said it was 90 degrees but I guess they might have been wrong.

I think you have just confirmed a lot of long held theories on just how much it is that you "know".

100% certain that it is a 90 degree V8. The reason why it is is because they all run cross-plane crankshafts, and you can't run a crossplane crankshaft with a 60 degree V8. The reason they run crossplane is for smoothness (it is inherently balanced) and gives that classic "burble", which is due to the firing order being uneven on each bank (but even overall). The downside is that the crank counterweights have to be fairly hefty, which limits rev-ability a fair bit. Euro V8s on the other hand often run flatplane cranks, as they don't run massive crank counterweights (note that 180 is divisible by 90 AND 60, which is why flatplane cranks can be either angle) and can rev much better (due to the added breathability of overhead cams too)

[twentyEight]

find a photo of the cleveland vs windsor block, windsor is a LOT narrower

Sorry dude, but both Windsor and Cleveland are 90 degree V8s.

Windsor


Cleveland

[MRMOPARMAN]

their right robbo. windsor is 90 degrees. they just dont look like it because their such a short deck block, like josh said. i got sucked in by it aswell

[TA22 1MZ]

Come on guys, all of this Cleveland, Windsor and Chev talk is making us sound like bogans Soon we'll be talking about roller rockers too
Anyway, if there are anymore specific shots people want, let me know and I'll try and sort it out.

[andrew_mx83]

yeah it is the deck height that normally confuses people. i thought the windsors were narrower for a long time too, but they are both 90.

now where are my vb and singlet and 650 holley

[big_zop]

Anyway, if there are anymore specific shots people want, let me know and I'll try and sort it out.

Was hoping you didnt miss mine, but are you able to compare sumps? I know that the LS has interchangable sumps as well but a starting point would be good.

Cheers

[TA22 1MZ]

No worries mate, will get them for you on the weekend. The significant difference is the width and compact-ness. LS is significantly narrower and more compact giving a heap of clearance for sway bars, cross members and also have a deep notch for steering rack clearance. I have seen front sump and rear sump configs also.

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[TA22 1MZ]

No worries mate, will get them for you on the weekend. The significant difference is the width and compact-ness. LS is significantly narrower and more compact giving a heap of clearance for sway bars, cross members and also have a deep notch for steering rack clearance. I have seen front sump and rear sump configs also.

Should clarify, that the above statement is in relation to the LS sump region/area and bottom of block compared to 1UZ

[oldeskewltoy]

Hmmm the only 60 degree engines Ford made(that I know of) were the German V6 (Cologne) engines. They began in the late 60s at 2.6 liters, and in the mid 70s was punched out to 2.8. It later became 2.9, and finally became the 4.0

Btw... that little V6 in the MkI Capri is a stout little performer

[andrew_mx83]

ford also have a 60deg v8 as used in the US only taurus SHO.

not sure what angle the cosworth dfv was....

["Z" UTE]

Come on Chuck, dont tell me your not tempted
Old school Crown ute would be awesome!!

As Chuck scoots off to the local paper shop for a copy of Just Parts mag.

[Hiro]

ford also have a 60deg v8 as used in the US only taurus SHO.

That's because 90deg V8s aren't exactly condusive to compact FWD layouts. That, and it is basically a 2.5L Duratec V6 with two extra cylinders grafted on.

[TheToyman75]

The LSx is sadly a hands down winner compared to the 1UZ. They are more compact and more common. Sure they are not as high tech or refined, but.........

A stock unoppened LS1 with a good intake, good extractors and Dyno tuned properly will turn around 230rwkw all day every day.

As an added bonus SAS who support our Dyno Days still real time dyno tune these on the factory ECU, even when built or running boosted applications - No need for a top end aftermarket ECU is a big $ saving

Get an LS2 and its a comfy 30 - 50 od KW more !

If you actually build and engine it becomes a basic balance of $$$ for kw if you go to the right workshop. You can buy off the shelf Twin turbo kits, Supercharger kits (both positive displacement and centrifical) stroker kits and even 8 throttle body manifolds. And there is a massive quality range available. Cheap POS strokers kits with all Cast parts can be had for 7/10's of fuck all while a top end billet kit will still set you back around $8k from memory. And trust me you do get what you pay for.

I am not a big fan of non Toyota Engines in Toyota's, but there is some shit you just cant argue with

[old_school_jap1]

I am not a big fan of non Toyota Engines in Toyota's, but there is some shit you just cant argue with

like the NCOP rules? 4 litres is all you can do legally in some early toyotas cause they are so small.