help choosing a 3sgte (and ta22/3sgte talk)

[stidnam]

got in contact with an importer who can supply me a caldina halfcut for 3.9 g's on a special order with around 50,000 k's (a few months waiting period, but i have time so no biggy) cost v rebuild suddenly looks appealling

If you are getting a special order then try to get a cut that is the post 2000 facelift model which has the hid lights so that you can sell these off to other Caldina owners and recoop some cost . Also try to get a manual one if you can but they are rare (<10% of production) so you can also sell the gearbox.

af300e, are you saying that i cannot use the stock turbo, even though i will be getting a custom exhaust manifold knocked up? my intentions for power are not that huge that im wanting to source an aftermarket turbo (thinking 14-15 psi and will be happy with the numbers that gives me)

As I posted above you can swap the exhaust housing for the 7MGTE CT26 housing if you want to do it on the cheap and are not concerned about big power. I have not run this yet but I think it is worth a try as it is a lot cheaper than buying a new turbo.

Agree with the others don't use a 2s sump, modify the stock one which is heaps better.

With the bellhousing either 3/4y or 2s the gearbox is on a lean if you straighten up the motor.

I wouldn't classify the gen4 as having a remote oil filter. Yes it is not on the side of the block but it is part of the lower sump piece.




If you are going to rebuild a caldina motor then try to get a gen 2 block also as you will be a LOT better off in terms of making engine mounts and just swap the blocks over. Not sure if the gen 2 block has oil squirters but these can be fitted.

[driftke70]

i have fitted a gen 3 in to the bay of a ke70, i used a beams sump.

gen 4 has its upsides over gen 3, most of which didnt phase me. I was cutting out my firewall and moving
my engine back either way. coil packs are pretty neat but.

[af300e]

With the bellhousing either 3/4y or 2s the gearbox is on a lean if you straighten up the motor.

Hmm, my gen 3 is vertical and the gearbox is perfectly upright. Used a 2s bell housing.

What about, since you are not subject to emissions rules, taking a gen1 NA (HUGE intake ports) or gen2 gte head and a gen 2 gte block (has oil squirters) and running an aftermarket computer and gt2871 or some such? Use a 2s sump, engine mounts and bell housing, put new wiseco pistons in it and 264 deg cams. You can still run some other type of coil on plug system driven by the new computer. Build custom intake and exhaust manifolds.

[ONCE-NA]

Don't do it! Get an SR20DET or maybe a CA18 and save yourself money and heartache and get cheaper easier upgrades too!

[Element88]

sorrry Once-NA, but a few years ago i came accross a celica gt4 that had the most awesome sounding exhaust note that it just had me sold... that and the power i am looking for isnt hard to get

and i couldnt bear the thought of putting something nissan into a classic celica, its just doesnt feel right

(that aside i have a mate who hase a ca18 in his 70's corolla, and that thing goes hard!

stidnam, i might take your advice and play around with the 7mgte ct26 exhaust housing, to see if that can work for me, if i am going to do this rebuild on the 147 thou km engine, it will all depend on the condition of the turbo as to wheter i find a genIII ct26 or go for something aftermarket and custom manifold

and not sure about swapping blocks over to a gen2 model, the engine mounts cant be that much different that it will cause me more trouble, will most likely have to make up custom ones as i am trying to figure out if i can fit a r&p setup in, as the old steering box is driving me insane

r&p for a ta22 = a cut up crossmember from a corolla, which will most likely mean custom engine mounts anyway, well thats the idea i am running with atm (no solid plans for this yet tho, later date)

and again stidman, is there much of a problem with the gearbox being on a slight lean? other than the mounting wont be flat?

af300e, using the 2s bellhousing puts the starter motor on the exhaust side does it not? I have been told that by using a 3/4Y housing i can get the starter on the intake side and free myself up some room for exhuast/turbo stuff

and about using the gen2 gear or even the gen1 NA head, that is all possible but i am liking the idea that i dont have to go out and get an aftermarket computer, as my plans i dont beleive will require one to get to my outcome goal, just run the stock gear and i dont have to mess around with getting coil packs and a ignition system due to ditching the dizzy on the back of the gen2 head

and the $$ involved with aftermarket computers is a little harsh

if you were really keen, you could ger familier wiht plc's and if you know your stuff about tuning you could write up your own maps and tune it yourself (but.... no) (i dont know my stuff haha)

so much to think about so early in the morning

cheers

Joel

[jfallen]

Sorry about the miss information with regards to the remote mount oil filter. When hunting for my oil filter it was obviously not in the same spot as the Celica's. I found it at the front of the under tray and assumed it was remotely mounted, obviously that image clears things up.

Cheers
Jordan

[twentyEight]

The Gen 3 3S-G(T)E has the exact same thing...

[Element88]

as it turns out the oil filter will be in a quite favorable position, so the oil filter relocation kit wont be needed anyway

turns out that the cut is a 2000 model, and he has two. both of around the same condition

so if there was anyone who wanted a genIV cut, u have a chance

but i have dibbs on one

Joel

[Haynesie]

Hey there I wouldnt worry bout parts support for the gen 4 either parts are available for caldina's over the counter direct from toyota Gen 4 definately kicks butt my caldina is only lightly modified and before fmic made 155kw at all four. The gen 4 is definately a good starting point for your build and Id go the rebulder over the 1/2 cut. If you go the half cut though let me know I want the HID's haha

[Element88]

well haynesie, the rebuilder is a half cut

the question before was choosing between an ebay cut that i would rebuild, or a special order from an importer

i am making preperations to acquire the cut, and if it is actually a 2000+ model like he suggests, the HID lights will be available, as i cant see myself having any possible need for them

just out of curiosity, what other parts would it be worth my while hanging onto, as i was just going to get the engine and essentials out of the cut bay and crush the rest (apart from the HID's obviously)

cheers

Joel

[Haynesie]

Like stid said earlier the only other thing of value really is a manual trans (which mine is anyway). But you neva know what odds and sodds a caldina owner might need I'd just post whats left after your done, might get some interest.

[jfallen]

if the front guards are any good I might be interested, can never hurt to have a spare, especially when dodging kangaroos in Central QLD.

Let me know what's available
Jordan

[Element88]

will let u guys know

kangaroos... they are the absolute worst

used to live out at bourke, and about 7-8 years ago before the drought set in properly you had to slow down to 40kph at dusk driving in from dubbo/sydney side

there was absolutely no way you could count them

and no matter how hard you hit them when you did, they still manage to get back up and bounce away

tough buggers they are

cheers

Joel

[concord.dawn]

Have you considered using an altezza 3sge and adding a turbo (if thats the way you want to go)? It may save some hassles, being RWD already

[wagonist]

Why is there talk of having to rebuild this motor?

Being a 2000 model & then having clocked up 150 000km in 9years, it's done 16 000km/year.
With that kind of k's I'd severely doubt it'd be a city car were it'd be idling all day, suggesting more a case of it actually getting properly warmed up.

HID's won't fit the earlier model without changing the grill as well (& a metric truckload of re-wiring I'd suspect). Easier to install an aftermarket kit.

This one's a better proposition:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1998-Toyota-C...d=p3286.c0.m14

I may also be interested in the remains of the halfcut, including the auto box if you're just going to chuck it, & the crossmembers.

My original plan was to install a V6 into mine, so having this would enable all the hard fabrication work to be done without taking the car off the road.

I've also got a small car trailer if you need a hand getting the cut home.