The Tuning Talk Thread - Forced Induction EFI & JZ Tuning.

[Smokey228]

LOL @ Daily Driven Occasionaly

The advantages to Microtech is its 2k installed and tuned, and whenever i change things, be it injectors, or cams and gears etc, the re-tune will be free of cost. ATM its costing me 500$ a pop to tune. But this is a flat rate and regardless of what has to be done is 500$, unless its going for emmisions, in which case its 1k lol

Oh, and MSD Do an ignition booster that also does 2step rev limiter. Its like $300 which isnt to much at all... Maybe a bit more now with the shitter dollar etc...

Cheers,
Jase

[JZA70 R]

The advantages to Microtech is its 2k installed and tuned, and whenever i change things, be it injectors, or cams and gears etc, the re-tune will be free of cost. ATM its costing me 500$ a pop to tune. But this is a flat rate and regardless of what has to be done is 500$, unless its going for emmisions, in which case its 1k lol

well that has absolutely nothing to do with the capabilites of each ecu, that is purely down to your tuner. The way you worded your initial question it sounded like you were considering another ecu because the powerfc was lacking. which couldnt be further from the truth.

Assuming its the same tuner that would tune MT for free and charge for the PFC, its him you should be swapping out, not your ECU...

[JP]

Speaking of comparing ECU's, anybody had any experience with the Link G4 range? I'm a complete newb when it comes to aftermarket ecu's but I am considering going down that path in the future.. when I told my tuner that I was considering using a Microtech he told me they're a waste of money and wouldn't be suitable for my application (drift car that gets daily driven occasionally). He recons the Link is probably best bang to buck out there at the moment, was telling me about the new Wolf v500 and all it's features but they're a bit too pricey for me.

The Vipec range are basically Link G4's... Vipec v88 = Link G4 Extreme and Vipec V44 = Link G4 storm. They're fantastic ECU's for the money, and work very well with toyota factory reluctor and vvti systems. Vipec's have local support through Ray Hall, Link is via NZ. The closed loop idle works very well, the cold starts are perfect and the closed loop fueling via wideband input and AFR target table is very handy. The autotune function is also quite usefull on the dyno.

I've got a V88 in my daily driver which used to run an Autronic SM4. I've also just put a v44 into a ZZE corolla that has been turbocharged and used to run a powerfc, also works flawlessly with much better idle etc than the PFC had. I will eventually get around to putting my spare V44 into my wagon which runs a jzx100 manual drivetrain to see how that goes, from all my experiences so far it will run quite well

Probably also worth noting that the "TRD Aurion" drag car of Tony Wedlocks has just changed from their AEM to a Vipec v88 with CDI to run the show on the 2J.

The G4's are a bit cheaper, especially if you have a contact in NZ, but I prefer the local support if you need it.

[Smokey228]

well that has absolutely nothing to do with the capabilites of each ecu, that is purely down to your tuner. The way you worded your initial question it sounded like you were considering another ecu because the powerfc was lacking. which couldnt be further from the truth.

Assuming its the same tuner that would tune MT for free and charge for the PFC, its him you should be swapping out, not your ECU...

2 different tuners, Matouks Racing for Microtech... And Hitman for PFC... Both are great tuners, so it comes back down to the ECU. Which is my main concern...

I dont realy want to compromise the drivability for a few extra kw.. But at the same time, being able to add things as i please without having to worry about paying for a new tune is a bonus... Oh, and microtech has an epic sounding 2step...

Cheers,
Jase

[Kyosho]

If you want to look around for Bang for Buck ECUs, check out the Adaptronic range also.
www.adaptronic.com.au
$1000 for an ECU that has the features etc of the Autronic and Motecs...

[Dieseltrain]

Havent seen 1 toyota come from Matouks stables yet ???

Hitman has been mentioned a bit on Supraforums, but not sure it was all good things either.

And why the hell are you paying $500 for any tune ? If your in Sydney, Go see guys like Spiro @ Autotek at Granville , or Yavuz @ Unigroup , tuned PFC's and charges by the hour, not full retune prices .

ANy reason for only picking Matouks and Hitman ?

[Smokey228]

Well my mate is personal mates with Matouuk and i trust him as a tuner and i trust his workmanship, and thats worth alot to me.

Hitman, because he has done all my tuning and alot of ppl in my circle of friends, and i trust him. Also, his work is good, and as a person his a legend... Takes the time to talk to you and explain whats been done etc...

But i've heard good things about unigroup, so maybe i'll look into that... What do they charge by the hour???

P.s. Hitman doesnt charge by the hour. He charges a flat rate, so if it takes him 6 hours because there was a fubared fuel reg (or something similar) or 2hrs, its 500$. However, i havent spoken to hm about money yet, so to do a simple tidy up of the current tune might be cheaper...

Cheers,
Jase

[Dieseltrain]

Fair enough mate From memory i think dyno tuning @ Unigroup is about $120-140 / hour . As long as the tuner spends the right time and knows his shit, you shouldnt go wrong .

[JustenGT8]

P.s. Hitman doesnt charge by the hour. He charges a flat rate, so if it takes him 6 hours because there was a fubared fuel reg (or something similar) or 2hrs, its 500$.

Cheers,
Jase

I've heard good things about him but that is a farktarded way to charge??

[Smokey228]

I've heard good things about him but that is a farktarded way to charge??

I should probably confirm that im not 100% if thats what he charges for a full tune but not for tidy ups etc. I'll give him a call today and ask what i need to budget to get the car tuned for injectors and fuel reg only. If its still 500$ i'll report back here...

I wouldnt mind trying uni group out cause i heard alot... I'll do some research...

Cheers,
jase

[Dieseltrain]

I know Matouks tune a lot of cars . All the ones i see are race cars and are at the Drags every week. Not sure how well they road tune cars for daily and such though .

[1JZ-Rolla]

Jase spends more time at the drags then I do on the road, so maybe Matouks are just right for him

Just jokes, that makes perfect sense Dieseltrain, as an "all rounder" car you want to be sure that it wont give you the shits for the regular drives, while only providing a smile on full noise.

I'm just jealous that we don't have a dragstrip here in sleepy Canberra

Cheers
Phil

[Smokey228]

I know a lot of cars matouks has tuned, and they are mostly street driven as well as drag raced... Alot of his cars are 10second VLs that are driven commonly on the street.

But he also has a couple of 8 second cars and a few 9 second cars...

But i think for now, i'll stick with the PFC... It does what i need and if i like the new tuner, it'll do just find...

Oh and spoke to hitman, its 500$ flatrate for any work on PFC... I'll try unigroup for a tidy up when i have cash again...

Cheers,
jase

[1JZ.747]

i find it absolutely amazing the neg comments about microtechs, i have not had any of the issues you guys describe and i have run a microtech ltx12s since 2002 without a drama.

gold start great
response great
fuel consumption great.

each ecu is only as good as the monkey pushing the buttons

[Smokey228]

Shane, would you recommend a microtech in a daily driver?

Are the microtechs lockable?

Another big advantage of the pfc is that its a plug and play... If i go microtech its a full wire in... (atm its seeming a good idea cause my current wire job is shit)
However, if the microtech is lockable, i can get a lean out tune to clear emmisions, and than go back to a normal power tune once cleared...



Cheers,
Jase