Toying with the idea of an AMG Mercedes --> Toyota conversion

[StuC]

i'll dig some info up on the pistons for you. Im just about to finish my 4th year of apprenticeship at mercedes. I've always wanted to slap a charger on one of these as i reckon they are one of the best looking benz' made. Im pretty sure an off-the-shelf item could be found to fit or milled down a little. Go for a top- shelf haltech, Wolf v500 or Motec and there shouldnt be too many problems. Just dont expect the OBD connector to still work for interior control units that well

StuC

[Robbos_Toyotas]

Fair enough. I assume you have seen this:
http://www.silcom.com/~neilv/C36turbo/

500hp, twin turbo etc?

he has been through 3 blocks or something...his new motor is only a 3.5...stroked from a 3.2
See the c36 motor was derived from the 2.8L motor used in the c280....so its almost at the end of its tether in the way of boring/ stroking...

[af300e]

he has been through 3 blocks or something...his new motor is only a 3.5...stroked from a 3.2

I think he's on his 2nd block, the first one was buggered by detonation. As has been said, a rough tune is going to blow up any motor. This guy has also never used the stock rods, they built a shortened set from the start to comp the motor down. So if it was a failed rod that smashed the block, it was a failed custom rod.

Don't sell the stock motor a short, they are as tough as nails. They did have head gasket issues, but as the article mentions, o-ringing the block will soon solve that.

On the block being toward the end of it's modifying potential, I wouldn't let the numbers fool you. AMG also take a 215kw 4.3L alloy V8, bore/stroke it to 5.4L and strap a supercharger to it. Total power is then 370kw and 700Nm of torque. That's a hell of an increase.

Having said all that, I completely understand you not wanting to pioneer that sort of build. The electronics especially would be a nightmare.

I supposed I am biased, having worked for benz and having owned quite a few, it hurts me to see a relatively rare car being bastardised with toyota parts, especially one with 75,000km. That's why I've tried to suggest ideas that might allow you to keep the stock motor....

[Robbos_Toyotas]

I think he's on his 2nd block, the first one was buggered by detonation. As has been said, a rough tune is going to blow up any motor. This guy has also never used the stock rods, they built a shortened set from the start to comp the motor down. So if it was a failed rod that smashed the block, it was a failed custom rod.

Don't sell the stock motor a short, they are as tough as nails. They did have head gasket issues, but as the article mentions, o-ringing the block will soon solve that.

On the block being toward the end of it's modifying potential, I wouldn't let the numbers fool you. AMG also take a 215kw 4.3L alloy V8, bore/stroke it to 5.4L and strap a supercharger to it. Total power is then 370kw and 700Nm of torque. That's a hell of an increase.

Having said all that, I completely understand you not wanting to pioneer that sort of build. The electronics especially would be a nightmare.

I supposed I am biased, having worked for benz and having owned quite a few, it hurts me to see a relatively rare car being bastardised with toyota parts, especially one with 75,000km. That's why I've tried to suggest ideas that might allow you to keep the stock motor....

its just the cost factor and headaches that would deter me from doing the merc motor

[Robbos_Toyotas]

other than the motor/ box the car would remain absolutely stock though...wheels etc, just a diff front grille to sex it up a bit and not look so dated...so other than the rumble of a tuff 2j/ 1uz itd be a stock car...

[AE35]

Have you actually researched the cost for pistons etc or or you just saying it because you think that its going to cost too much?

I'm sure if you did some research regarding decompressing the motor, you could find a suitable piston/rod combination that will drop the compression enough to give the ability to run more boost.

All I'm saying is, dont completely rule out modding the current motor, especially with such low k's.

It's not every day that you come across a motor thats run under 100,000k's and has the potential to give a bigger output with some mods.

[fnlow1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPodp9DOQbQ

I reckon a 2jz in anything is an awesome idea. See if the link persuades you some what?

(things get good around the 4min mark)

[Robbos_Toyotas]

Have you actually researched the cost for pistons etc or or you just saying it because you think that its going to cost too much?

I'm sure if you did some research regarding decompressing the motor, you could find a suitable piston/rod combination that will drop the compression enough to give the ability to run more boost.

All I'm saying is, dont completely rule out modding the current motor, especially with such low k's.

It's not every day that you come across a motor thats run under 100,000k's and has the potential to give a bigger output with some mods.

ive looked through basically all japanese forged pistons and there are some nissan ones off a 4 cylinder, has a 90mm bore, which is like 30tho more than a merc...but without getting an exact big end diameter and being able to match a rod with it, im poking with a stick in the dark...if you read that article on the c36 twin turbo, he has spent something like 80 grand to date?

[Robbos_Toyotas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPodp9DOQbQ

I reckon a 2jz in anything is an awesome idea. See if the link persuades you some what?

(things get good around the 4min mark)

yeah seen that, very noice! and thats a lot bigger car than mine....amazing how well it still handles...

[af300e]

The car in the vid is actually a little lighter than the C36 and only slightly wider (approx 20mm) and higher (50mm mainly due to ride height). Being a w124 chassis, it is longer but I cannot remember how much. I had one, my brother had a w202 like your c36 but with 2 litre 4cyl.
The w202 chassis suspension runs rings around the w124. Front is vastly superior, rear is similar.

There is a 300e (w124 chassis, older motor than yours, SOHC, 3 litre stock 137kw) with turbo, standalone ecu, stock internals that makes 560hp and 700Nm. The guy who owns/built it is a fruitloop and the car looks shithouse but the motor is awesome. Quote:

Copy/paste from benz forum:
"Originally Posted by altz
Ok...so the m103 is bulletproof.. I didnt quite understand, did the 560hp came with stock rods & pistons?
Is the head heavily ported?

Yes 560Hp with stock rods & pistons and every engine parts is original and I just tortured the engine with 8000RPM all the time so M103 is ROCK
I just wanted to see how much the original engine can make hehe
Everything is just about engine system, if you can control fuel and ignition then you can make some power, good ingition curve is very impotent
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MB 300E 12v Turbo (summercar)
MB 190E 2,6 (wintercar)"

M103 is the earlier model 6 cyl before the the m104 which is in your car. The bottom ends are very very similar.

I wonder if you could have a thick copper gasket made for your current engine to bring the CR down to say 10:1? Then you may be able to re-time the cams using different offset woodruff keys in the cam gears.

What sort of money would you take for your c36? Pm me if you like.

[Drew]

If its the same as a e36 amg 3.6 it should have a 90mm bore & factory mahle forged pistons.after giving up replacing rings (months of problems with suppliers they don't understand or recignise the 3.6 ,merc included)

we went with custom cp pistons, customer supplied forged rods ??, autorotor supercharger & autronic sm4 ecu.
unfortunatly the supplied blower was little to small for what we were after so its come off to make way for gt3076ish turbo.

[onboost]

1. DONT F*CK THE CAR WITH A 2JZor a 1UZ its an amg if you want to be different and get your socks of do it to a c180.

2. Standard pistons should be a forged item since they are even in a c180.

3. You should have enough room to turbocharge it we turbocharged a c180 of the same year.

4. You would have to lower the comp since 2 of my mates that have em both ping in summer thank to their high comp/stroke combo. One even done his headgasket.

If you wanna play with it take the motor out wrap it and STORE it. Get yourself a smaller cheaper 6 cylinder maybe out of c280 or a c32 and thinker with that. Pistons can be machined up anywhere and for a 6 cylinder you are looking at $1500 any size any comp

Specialised Piston Services in Melb done a set for my mates C class
Argo done the rods.

Its a 2.2L
gt30
Wolf3d v4 piggy backed

makes around 230-240 kw
daily driven everywhere and it should run a high 12