Preferred camshaft degreeing kit????

[amichie]

Yes, with some cam companies using flogged out fucked cam grinders made in the 70's.
Besides, isnt it all about the operator? Its much easier to measure a cam then it is to grind one

So who made these cams?

[jeffro ra28]

Does it matter? My point is the importance to measure your cams properly no matter who the manufacturer. Tho it seems to you like every cam ever ground is perfect anyway

[amichie]

Does it matter? My point is the importance to measure your cams properly no matter who the manufacturer. Tho it seems to you like every cam ever ground is perfect anyway

Yes it does matter. The guy is building a motor either with stock toyota or TRD cams and he is asking for advice on degreeing his cams. He is being mislead to believe his cams may have lobes up to 5 degrees out from one lobe to another.

Do you think that is helpful information?

[jeffro ra28]

He is being mislead to believe his cams may have lobes up to 5 degrees out from one lobe to another.

Have you EVER measured a set of cams? How do you know i am misleading anyone?

I am expressing my personal experiences and noting why it is so important to measure your cams properly. Im not going to shitbag anyone out of a handufl of smalltime cam companies for your satisfaction. Im just going to say make sure you check your cams properly ffs? is it that hard? Get over it, there are alot of cams with inconsistant lobes!

I have never measured a set of TRD cams so i cannot comment. I have measured 1970's toyota cams and they were AVERAGE. As i have already pointed out.
Wouldnt it just be easier to measure the fucking cams properly ffs?

Would you check bearings before you install them in an engine? Would you measure your pistons before you install them in an engine? Would you check anything before you install them an in an engine FFS? seems not. SO whats the big deal with checking your cams before you install them?

I think you are the one misleading him telling him that "degreeing kits are really only required if the head and/or block have been excessively machined". When he is clearly building a blueprinted engine...........LOL go figure???????

[oldeskewltoy]

jeffro_ra28 - I would love to go though cams and check 50 and pick the best.... like picking the best, straight 2x4 at the building center.

In a perfect world I wouldn't have too........

I will have to base some of what I want on trust that the maker can deliver what they say.

Although I am investing a large amount of cash... I just don't have the resources to buy 3, 4, 6, (more?) sets of cams and use the perfect one from each to make the perfect set.





As I write this I'm working with Web Camshafts on the possibility of a custom grind. somewhere in the (220-226)* degree @ .050", with a cam lift of .350"

* - fiddling some with timing events to maximize power, likely split timing events (not mirrored like blue top cams, but offset like redtop cams)

The valve springs are good to .425" lift before bind, so lift will not be an issue. Seat pressures are up some(stock are 35, these are 50i/54e.... 124i/127e @ .350" lift)

[amichie]

Have you EVER measured a set of cams? How do you know i am misleading anyone?

Short answer is yes.( But only once)

Then I realised with adjustable cam wheels/gears it is just a waste of time since you are going to tune it anyway either on a road or on a dyno.

[jeffro ra28]

Oh well you obviously have the experience and backround to tell me im "misleading" people by informing them that there are alot of camshafts out there that are inconsistant or not what the camcard specifies.....