the old "build a 1ggze without loom, ecu or sc14" trick

[Johnzoku]

ive been offered a free 1ggze (well with a 800 tig) no sc14, loom or computer but with some accessories (not sure of the ingnition tho?) and exhaust manifold.

ive also got a 1gge GZ10 on the way as well (soarer # 5... im not shI7!n6 ya), the 1gg doesnt fire but i suspect its a small problem (in the ignition area i guess)

i also have a mate with a 1ggte plenum and various 1ggte pipings (a 1ggte head as well) (maybe) and know of a complete loom or two being sold with ecu atm for very cheep rate.

so from what ive searched and read so far.

1G-GTE cams have : 7.3mm lift and 194 degrees duration.
1G-GE cams have : 7.5mm lift and 205 degrees duration.
1G-GZE cams have : ???mm lift and ??? degrees duration.

will have to change crank angle sensor on the 1ggze to the dizzy setup for the 1ggte.

The 1GGTE has 8.5:1 and 1GGZE has 8.0:1

no provisions in 1ggze head for turbo oil lines (but easy fix apperently so ive been told by a mechanic mate)

1GGTE AFM is interchangeable with the 7MGE but the spring rate is different

ive seen a few sc14's on ebay for a decent price that i would be happy to pay (as long as they come with the inlet/outlet pipework)

and ive read these posts, searched olt toymods, google and more (but will keep searching as well)
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showth...ght=1ggze+head
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showth...ght=1ggte+head
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showth...ighlight=1ggze
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19890
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showth...ighlight=1ggze
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showth...ighlight=1ggze
http://members.optushome.com.au/mkha...a/1G-GTE_info/
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showth...wiring+diagram - wiring diagrams for 1ggze
so all i need to run supercharged is loom and ecu or to run turbo i need the manifolds and turbos, oil lines (just a rough idea, i know theres alot more to it than just that but there the major parts)

so... could i run a supercharger on 1ggte loom and computer changin over to a dizzy set up?

could a 1ggze be run on a 1gge loom/ecu or even 1gge with a 1ggze ecu from a gs121 crown? (i know this isnt likely since it wont have provisions for the supercharger but its an idea )

or what turbo(s) would be recomended for a conversion... a big single, custom manifold for twins? and could i run this on a tuned factory ecu or would i have to move to aftermarket?

the general consensus is that it will be easyer and cheeper just buying a 1ggze or 1ggte complete and i understand that but a free motor is a free motor + it will be going in the place of a 1gge so i have various parts i might be able to plunder to make it a goer.

thanks in advance
john.

[Forcefed6]

Where do you start...

Depending on if the engine has any manifolding, brackets on it, get a super charger. I have one at home with a small pulley on it that makes around 14psi of boost on my engine before i turboed it. You need an intercooler for this sort of boost tho. I ran this with a factory 1GGZE computer without any problems, and it went hard.... Although the auto box that was behind it didn't like the torque/power increase, as it used to make 15psi by 1500rpm

I wouldn't bother changing the cams... Probably not worth the hassle. I never did until I added my big cams (8.5mm lift, 230 odd duration) Cam gears will help if you can find some tho....

Simplicity wise, much easier to splash out on an ecu, therefore leave plenty of room for improvment in the future too.

If you want to go turbo, I may consider may consider parting my setup. If I have no luck selling the car complete, I may well choose to split it up. And it's setup to fit perfect in a Z10 too

That's all I can think of at the moment. I might add some more later.

[Johnzoku]

would you happen to be wanting to let that sc14 go by anychance?
i think with a w58 and mechanical two way it will be good fun... i can get a ecu but then that just leaves the loom i need to somehow wire up....

just thinking out loud with thoes cams, if ive got the 1gge it could always be good thing to swap over while ive got it apart but i guess there not going to greatly help the power anyway... if i did i'd try get some of your cams gears if you still have them.

ill look into after market ecu's once i know what direction im heading, as i said know of a few 1ggze ecu's for about 100au i might get.

dont part your car out! its such a mint example now! id keep it after all that work if i was you

[brett_celicacoupe]

put a M90 on a 1GGZE, i reckon that would be cool.

intercool it and run 20ish psi

7mgte 440 injectors and aftermarket computer (adaptronic comes to mind)

M90s come up on ebay for under 600. youd be lucky to find any turbos (and associated gear) other then stockies for under that.

something a little different too

[oldcorollas]

will the M90 make 20psi after the cooler tho? they don't seem to have any available data for more than 10psi...

[brett_celicacoupe]

maybe because they came on 3.8L (or bigger? im no GM expert) and running them at their max RPM (12000 for M90?) was still making less the 10psi


put it on a 2L and im sure youll make high boost no worries, while still staying under the desired-max rpm of the blower

my rough calcs say about 20psi @ 1.75:1 drive ratio with a max engine rpm of 7500

[Johnzoku]

put a M90 on a 1GGZE, i reckon that would be cool.

intercool it and run 20ish psi

7mgte 440 injectors and aftermarket computer (adaptronic comes to mind)

M90s come up on ebay for under 600. youd be lucky to find any turbos (and associated gear) other then stockies for under that.

something a little different too

ive had just this idea before, but to run one on my 6m.

would it be possible to run the m90 in the same location as the sc14 or even where the ac compressor sits? ive seen the measurements of the m90 around but not sure how big the sc14 is in comparison.

i like the idea and if i did go after market computer it would be either autronic or adaptatronic, NA intake plenum for ease of intercooler piping i guess and try mount it in stock is location...

[brett_celicacoupe]

space is probably your biggest issue. ive seen pictures of M90s with 'long snouts' and the one i have has a 'short snout'

if you want dimensions let me know, mine is still a decoration in my room.

[Johnzoku]

is there a chance of mounting it back towards the fire wall on a Z10(ma61) i guess the throttle body and intake will have to be on that side for the shortest possible piping and also it doesnt matter to much about the ZE intake plenum since it will go thru a intercool anyway (so the na or turbo plenum would be better suited i guess )

an over all length would be great, and maybe the general width/hight as well... whats the differance in length between long and short nose?

[Johnzoku]

lolz... no need for dims.



but im guessing this is the short nose.

[Johnzoku]

just thinking of intercooler for the m90 on a 1ggze, what size would be recomended.

a small used one, like stock 1ggte intercooler or maybe something like a larger front mount? 400x300x70odd?

[japlish]

i MAY be interested in parting my 1ggte setup.....twin rb26 turbs, external wastgate custom exhaust manifold.........

[Johnzoku]

so what are you running that allowed ya to drift at archifeild? a 1gge?

ill send ya a PM

[japlish]

1gge Powerzzzzzzz

[Johnzoku]

no way :O from what i heard you went alright... must let me know when you plan to come down next, i want to see ya slide i should be at the next archifeild prac. next wensday right?