The Spray Painting Thread

[love ke70]

puma compressors arnt the greatest, they are good, and cheap for what they are, but being a chippie, i see plenty of them, and while good for home use, when they are working hard all day they soon get old and rickety.
pilot air are a very nice compressor for a 2.5 hp unit, and even has a pressure release for when the motor kicks in, it isnt under load, still only rates around 11CFM FAD.
im not sure whether to get one of them for work, or to step up to a 3 HP (is a fuck around on site, as they blow the kick in capacitor all the time because they never get a single feed) which is something you ahve to be careful of in your typical dodgy wiring shed, if you have a few things going, you can easily turn the capacitor to smoke and thats another 60 bucks to replace.

and while we are on the topic, never buy a renegade, trade tools compressor.

[timbosaurus]

as they blow the kick in capacitor all the time because they never get a single feed) .

Hey 70... what do you mean by a single feed? Do you mean that running a 3hp often trips the standard circuit breakers on work sites that are designed for 10A appliances?

and while we are on the topic, never buy a renegade, trade tools compressor.

Yeah, on visual impression of them i'd agree with you too, but what are you basing your opinion on? Have they failed you before? I'm not doubting your opinion... it's just that I am in the market for a new compy and it is nice to hear of people's experiences

Cheers,
Timbo

[o_man_ra23]

puma compressors arnt the greatest, they are good, and cheap for what they are, but being a chippie, i see plenty of them, and while good for home use, when they are working hard all day they soon get old and rickety.

Sorry, Im calling BS on that one... a very good friend of mine's old man has his 20+ year old Puma compressor still on the back of his ute, its almost as fresh as the day it was bought, and he is a builder who uses the compressor every day as a tradesman (its petrol powered). Its often exposed to the weather etc and still doesnt skip a beat.

I do apologise, I checked the ratings on mine, its 1.65kW (bit over 2hp) with a 60Ltr tank. As I said though, I had to check the ratings first.

My shed has its own wiring circuit (and within that the lights, 10A and 15A circuits have their own circuits), and the lights that dim are the fluros in the shed. With nothing but the fluros and compressor on, the starting current of the motor dims the lights. When I build my new shed, I will be upgrading both the wire size out to the shed, and will be getting Ergon to install a larger aerial going from the pole to the house.

[love ke70]

Hey 70... what do you mean by a single feed? Do you mean that running a 3hp often trips the standard circuit breakers on work sites that are designed for 10A appliances?

yeah thats the one, a 3hp 15amp compressor can actually safely run off 10amp (ask a sparkie to show you the calc, it has something to do with 2200 watts and 2400 watts, i think, anyway, it can) so we usually have a lead with a 10 amp male and 15 amp female to take the compressor, or change the plug on the compressor to a 10 amp jobbie.
they work fine, until you are sharing power with a concrete mixer, drop saw, fridge etc etc, esp in new estate when the power isnt in its finished state.
its uncommon, but happens when you are running alot of the same point, just cant supply the amps to kick it in and the capacitor on the compressor destroys itself, which trips the power box.

Yeah, on visual impression of them i'd agree with you too, but what are you basing your opinion on? Have they failed you before? I'm not doubting your opinion... it's just that I am in the market for a new compy and it is nice to hear of people's experiences

well our tool guy wouldnt touch them, but he had 3 customers that were adamant that they wanted renegade compressors, so he sourced them and sold them, and with 3 months all 3 had crapped themselves and been replaced with different units.


Sorry, Im calling BS on that one... a very good friend of mine's old man has his 20+ year old Puma compressor still on the back of his ute, its almost as fresh as the day it was bought, and he is a builder who uses the compressor every day as a tradesman (its petrol powered). Its often exposed to the weather etc and still doesnt skip a beat.

I do apologise, I checked the ratings on mine, its 1.65kW (bit over 2hp) with a 60Ltr tank. As I said though, I had to check the ratings first.

[QUOTE]Sorry, Im calling BS on that one... a very good friend of mine's old man has his 20+ year old Puma compressor still on the back of his ute, its almost as fresh as the day it was bought, and he is a builder who uses the compressor every day as a tradesman (its petrol powered). Its often exposed to the weather etc and still doesnt skip a beat./QUOTE]

well for starters, im talking electrickery powered compressors, almost all sites have on site power in qld, and as such very few chippies run a petrol compressor up here, and i doubt many people will in there shed, the fumes might mess with the paintwork

and secondly, do you think they make them now to the same standards they made one 20 years ago, or do you think being price competitive at the demise of high quality is more on their agenda these days?
and being petrol, its probably a 5 or 6 hp unit minimum, so yes, it is the bees knees compared to a elec comp. simply because of its power advantage.

ive heard and seen many puma compressors that sound on their last legs, but arnt that old, and heard many stories of premature failure.

but hey, dont take my word for it

[o_man_ra23]

Sorry, but many worksites that a builder might attend dont actually have power, or are in the process of repairing the power system also. Or they may be attending to a house which is solar etc powered (becoming more common), so anyone who doesnt have a petrol compressor has just put themselves out of that market. Yes they have a great power advantage, and yes I do know at least one person with a petrol compressor for their shed (duct the exhaust gas outside, or have the compressor in an external pump house, not that hard)

[timbosaurus]

Don't get me wrong Owen, i'm not bagging your compressor. It's good to know that a 2hp has served you so well for spray painting. I'm sure it is eleventy thousand times better than those 2hp direct drive pieces of crap

Plus, it's more evidence that a 3hp will be plenty for me


I'm just trying to get as much info from ppl on their experiences and impressions as possible

[love ke70]

Sorry, but many worksites that a builder might attend dont actually have power, or are in the process of repairing the power system also. Or they may be attending to a house which is solar etc powered (becoming more common), so anyone who doesnt have a petrol compressor has just put themselves out of that market. Yes they have a great power advantage, and yes I do know at least one person with a petrol compressor for their shed (duct the exhaust gas outside, or have the compressor in an external pump house, not that hard)

yes, some sites do not have power, but more do. and usually sites with no power is just the start of the issues, which leads to a job which doesnt flow smoothly, so id be happy to put myself out of the market of those sorts of jobs.
and further more, generators are just as good, and then you dont have to run a pettie compressor and a geni, you just run the elec comp. off the geni.

[o_man_ra23]

Whats petite about a 100Ltr tank with a 13Hp motor?? Use all air powered tools, and it doesnt matter where you are, you can do the job. The person in question lives and works in the back blocks of the glasshouse mountains... so there are some people with lots of money and a block of dirt with no power yet. Those kinds of people pay lots of money for houses to be built, plus the scenery is second to none (much better than the concrete ghettos getting built in the cities)

[love ke70]

no no, i said pettie, and in, short for petrol. not petite, the only petite compressor are those little donut ones, hehe, so coot
using all air powered tools is difficult and expensive, those big jobs in them areas are great, and i aim to end up doing that sort of stuff in time, but as it stands, they are hard to get consistant work in, and cashflow is a must.
i work in the GC region, runaway bay, the australand development built over the water at the old cable ski park was a great job, you will see the billboards for the houses on the M1, working over water is very much good fun.

and at the end of the day, pre fab butter boxes, frame and roof in 2 days for 3 guys, get 2 done a week and your making very good, easy money

[o_man_ra23]

Oh, so why did you say pettie and not petrol?? Just as many letters, and a lot harder to mistake Consistent work isnt that hard in those areas if you live out there I guess... many people arent keen to make the trip out. I dont think I will be seeing any of your M1 billboards... cant justify a 12hr drive to see them

I guess its like anything... you can make lots of money making generic bolt on mods for motors quickly and to a set pattern, or you can make enough money making custom one offs, but have a lot more fun doing it!!

[love ke70]

mm, once u have money its easier to take a risk, move somewhere nice and do nice big houses. i dont plan on building fart boxes for life.

but for now, i think we should start talking about spray painting cars again...

[love ke70]

and pettie, coz im hardcore y0

[hosking1991]

is acrylic a good base coat for 2 pack i understand that acrylic needs to dry throughly for at least a month before 2pac will stick to it. so say if i rubbed my car back with 800 grit wet and dry(keeping in mind i sprayed it in acrylic a good 8 months ago) and sprayed two pack over it would it work? or would it just look crap and be a waste of time ?

cheers luke

[skiddz]

AFIAK you cant put 2pak over anything other than itself cos the other (acylic/enamel) paint is softer, and it wrinkles, slides and looks crap, good example of this is house paint used on this http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/in...howtopic=21163 and then a clear coat over the top (try finding an enamel based clear that is water white, good luck) turned it into a wrinkley peice of crap cos i used an auto acrylic clear

[TC1600]

That looks great in those pics, how did you get that effect?