super charging 22-re

[o_man_ra23]

oh, and a mate of mine is a fitter/machinist/turner and has his own engine building machines in his back shed... so ill be able to do this bugger on the cheap without quality compromise... cost of parts, beers for after, and crank work pretty much.

Cheers, Owen

[mullett]

That's the way I was thinking...

Cheers for the backup on oversquare, I was pretty certain I was right but didn't want to argue incase I wasn't

VERY curious about this. When do you think it'll be done?

RM.

[o_man_ra23]

could be soonish, could be a while. Im not in too much of a rush, gotta fix the rust and get the car on the road first.

Cheers, Owen

[o_man_ra23]

Oh, and the 22RE injectors are the same as 18RG injectors. They both run pretty much the same setup from factory.

Cheers, Owen

[gianttomato]

Remember that terms like "undersquare" and "oversquare" are merely descriptive.

Just so we're all clear, with an 89mm stroke, your 22R will be reaching your 4000 ft/min, industry accepted, maximum average piston speed at 7000 rpm. Compare this to 2JZ (85mm stroke - 7300), 1JZ (71.5mm stroke - 8500), 3K (66mm stroke - 9300).....see where I'm going with this?

Whilst an engine with a bore of 110mm and a stroke of 100mm is still undersquare, "revvy" isn't a term I would use to describe it (think Ford 250 with its 4500 redline.....). Many, many other factors will determine an engine's responsiveness, but intrinsic to this is the donk's stroke.

[Wil8115]

just to carify the 22R/22RE is 92mm x 89mm.

get ahold of me and lets talk. I can tell you everything you need to know about getting desent power out of these engines.

I have some factory 22RTE bits if your interested. They came with 140hp/175ftlbs but the electronics can handle 200hp easy with the proper corresponding mods.

The versions you have available might not be the same that we had from year to year but if I know a few details I can help you on your way. Stefan(from Taz) can help us out there.

200hp is very easy out of these mills and you can help them rev much better and flow better as well. The heads aren't great from the factory but porting works wonders. There is a lot of metal that can be removed and the ports reshaped slightly.

Currently mine is built to handle 7500rpms all day, everyday and 400+hp. The bottem end is identical to some that have been dyno'd to over 390hp rwhp with 26psi. Granted these type were not cheap to build.

btw i have a machine shop mate that spins his N/A 20/22R hybrid to 9200rpms in a circle track mini-stock car =P

[Starfire]

Haha,

I recon there is something great about working the crap out of engines that on paper arent fantastic for performance. 9200rpm from an R series? woot!

Hell - after reading this thread I almost want to find myself an RA65 and ghetto turbo it

[wilbo666]

Anyone thinking what I am thinking? lol

*sigh* (yes, I was thinking "sigh")

Cheers
Wilbo

[ViPeR_NiPPleX]

Anyone thinking what I am thinking? lol

*sigh* (yes, I was thinking "sigh")

Cheers
Wilbo

Alas, I was thinking the same thing...

[mic*]

Airflow is nearly directly proportional to horsepower, so I wouldn't dismiss this point too quickly. If the 22R can't flow much air above 3500rpm it's just not going to make power - not unless you can find a way to get eleventy billion psi into it without sending the pistons into orbit. Revs don't matter, it's all about airflow!

Hark that.

[PHOBIA]

After reading this whole thread, it's obvious that the general consensus is that there are better engines out there for forced induction. That said, with money anything is possible. There are 22R’s being built for drag racing in Australia as well as the states. They are a truck engine and therefore they are built strong straight out of the box. They can be built to be boost friendly and even though they will never be rev happy are still good for a few hundred ponies at the wheels.

[mic*]

I think that when someone asks a question we need to look more at the HOW and not the WHY so much. People are different.

"Because i can" is the best life philosophy...

Perhaps if you enter a discussion and talk about things that you've done or want to do "becuase i can", as opposed to because it was logical or some other reason, then you should say so.

[PHOBIA]

And props to anyone trying to raise the bar and do something different.

[Steelo]

I just finished doing a complete rebuild with a 22RE for my RA65 last week witch is on this site under Steelo’s ride in the forum members rides. I was told all you need to change to get that motor to rev +10000 is replace the rods and head. I didn’t go nuts on mine but have been thinking about doing another one sometime in the future.

[Draven]

Just so we're all clear, with an 89mm stroke, your 22R will be reaching your 4000 ft/min, industry accepted, maximum average piston speed at 7000 rpm. Compare this to 2JZ (85mm stroke - 7300), 1JZ (71.5mm stroke - 8500), 3K (66mm stroke - 9300).....see where I'm going with this?

Very interesting... 2jz-gte vvti has redline at 7200 rpm - this would seemto be cutting it a little fine?
Admittedly it has lighter pistons than the non-vvti, but still, with Mr Toyota's reputation for over-engineering and not pushing tolerances....