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    Default fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    i think my oil is getting too hot as my engine is getting very rattley when it gets hot. any ideas on how i can put in an oil cooler??

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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    sandwhich block, lines and cooler would be the minimum.

    And then add on top of that, filter relocation, and oil thermostat....

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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    that was my first thought but im unsure how the sandwich plate would go with the factory one aswell, i dont know if it is possible to use 2 at once. is it possible??
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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    unscrew oil filter, screw on sandwich plate, and then screw on oil filter.

    Thats how most of them bolt on.

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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    cheaper way would be just try running a thicker oil...

    just crap sell the kits, not to bad,,,,i got one $400 19 row cooler....

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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    the sandwhich plate has the oil in and out. You just take off the oil filter and screw it on. You need the oil and water metal pipe that travels around the engine to the thermostat. I don't know if the thermostat is different from oil/water engines. Also will need the oil hoses the connect both sides to the cooler. Pretty basic if you can get ahold of the stuff.
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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    Mate,
    The best bet is to find the sandwich plate used in an early 3T GTE as they had oil coolers factory. This is a direct swap and then its just a matter of finding a spot for the cooler.

    The factory unit has a small expansion joint in it which stops any oil flow to the cooler until the temp hits around 80 C. You still use the same oil filter etc, just the oil filter plate has some extra connections on it,.

    Hope this helps,
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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    Quote Originally Posted by lilcrash
    i think my oil is getting too hot as my engine is getting very rattley when it gets hot. any ideas on how i can put in an oil cooler??
    My 3tgte has a line that runs from a fitting to an oil cooler and enters back in under the thermo stat housing. Next to this fitting there should be a steel line running from the thermo stat housing back to the oil filter.

    See the little stork pointing directly down from the oil filter setup, that's where one of the fittings comes from then runs out to the oil cooler.

    See the bolt head to the right of the larger steel line just under the thermo stat. The smaller one that breaks off early carries water and the larger one that gos straight carries oil. On mine the bolt head to the right is where the line from the oil cooler comes back in.
    These photos are not of my engine, but it's a 3t just the same.
    There from here - http://www.toymods.net/forums/showth...t=3tgte+engine

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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    oil is getting too hot as my engine is getting very rattley
    How hot is "too hot"???
    I think you've got other problems. Does it smell like burned oil from a kitchen fire, or does it sizzle when you spit on the oil pan/sump?
    If you can put your hand on the pan for any length of time without 3rd degree burns, then it isn't much near 100C.

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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    lance - so i can use a second sandwich plate??
    in 05 nt - at the moment im using penrite hpr 15 (sae 15w-60) what would u recomend?
    ta22 gt and 3t ra40 - i wish i could find one, i guess i can put an add up again and see what happens.
    allencr - to tell the truth i have neva put my hand on the sump,

    thank you everyone
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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    why use a 2nd sandwich plate? yet another place for oil to leak from and it pushes the oil filter further out into the way of other things.

    getting the oil up to temps with the assistance of the cooling system is a good idea and its regulates temps simply by the mass of coolant in the system.

    If anything, you should look at improving the cooling system to keep temps stable (e.g. 3-core radiator, thermo fan, different thermostat).

    Regardless, it would be simpler to have one system that regulates oil temps - plus you might end up with cooled oil being re-heated by the water-blanket sandwich cooler.
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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    once again charles you make a good point, but my car has neva gotten above 100 degrees while ive had it, so im not sure whats going on then if that should kepp it cool enough.
    Looking for a new toy. If you have something 18r powered let me know.

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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    Quote Originally Posted by lilcrash
    ta22 gt and 3t ra40 - i wish i could find one, i guess i can put an add up again and see what happens.
    Mate have you had one on there before?
    For my understanding this is your oil feed for the turbo.
    If you have nothing there at the moment you need to try and get an oil cooler kit adaptor and run the line from the new adaptor to the point just under the thermo stat housing then from that point back to the new adaptor at least. You could incorparte an oil cooler in the system the and the filter can stay in the factory location.
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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    the stock Toyota oil cooler take-offs are useless for performace engines and they also wont fix a stuffed engine. they are by-pass type only, meaning only a small part of the oil goes thru the cooler. i always fit a full flow sandwitch block that has a thermostat built-in. that way, they only allow oil to flow to the cooler when it has excceded a set temp. no point cooling cold oil as it just gets thicker and costs power. simple really. all parts in stock. www.roadandtrack.net,au

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    Default Re: fitting an oil cooler to a non oil cooled 3tgte??

    Terry: out of interest, what oil temps should an engine like a 3T or a 3S run at?
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