What Type Engine Conversion ????

[Jorrs]

I thought that 3S RWD conversions are a PITA? If they aren't get the crossmember out of an SA63. Mounts should bolt straight up methinks.

they are a BIG PITA. but i think well worth it ( love of the 3s motor )

[skiddz]

have to make a custom passenger side mount, also there is not capaicty on the block to take a mount like that=big PITA

[doityourself]

I would like to suggest you find your self a rare as 18R-GE, surely has to be a complete one floating around somewhere in the world!

[ViPeR_NiPPleX]

if you want ive got an ra60 with a fully rebuilt 21R in it. Take the lot for $600 Bolt in and last for another 200,000+kms

[SillyCarS]

1ggze with a single turbo hanging off it

[Intense]

18r-ge would be your best bet. R series motor so should bolt right up to exhisting gearbox, and use existing engine mounts.

Could go carby if needed and whatever you save you could spend rebuilding it into a monster

[doityourself]

And think that there is an a 18R-G on this forums for sale too.

[skiddz]

IMHO noone should be asking " what engine can i put in *insert random car here*" cos noone can tell you what you want, assess what you will be using this car for, daily? weekend cruiser? track car? what do you want for it? 9 second quarters? handling? then once you have established what you want from the car, look at what engines are out there that can suit your needs, once you have a list check your bank balance, cos its gonna need to be bigger i guarentee it

without knowing any of the aforementioned im gonna say a 22re with a big arse dirty turbo hanging off the side its cheap-ish and should give a good kick in the pants when ya need it

[celicapain]

if you want power- single turbo 1gg 1jz 2jz
if you want handling- 4ageT
if you want to break down-13BPP turbo
if you want nice noise- 1uzfe
if you want ridiculous-Mercedes s600 twin turbo motec and nos.

I reckon you should do the mercedes conversion then give the car to me for suggesting it

p.s 3sgte is truly awesome engine but involves a truly frightening amount of work to put into celica-mounts/gearbox/ignition are all horrible and after youve done those youve still gotta do all the normal stuff in a conversion.

[RA40]

Are all the R series engines identical as far as engine mounts go?

ie Can a 22RE bolt straight in where a 18RC is now?

[RA40]

Are all the R series engines identical as far as engine mounts go?

ie Can a 22RE bolt straight in where a 18RC is now?

Ahh.. Further looking found:

"2f. 8R, 18R, 20R, 22R engine are interchangeable.
- use same cross member and gearbox as old engine."

From : http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...pho/celfaq.txt


So long as there are no dissenting views, I'll say it is a bolt-in..

[twentyEight]

Bolt in and last for another 200,000+kms

And much more...

[skiddz]

celicapain: a 4age is NOT going to push around 1500kgs of uglyness no matter how hard you try, sure u can go round corners fast, but its getting fast thats gonna be the issue

just leave the farken thing be unless its completely fucked in which case rebuild it will be infinitely simpler and far less $$$

[essaysixtythree]

My friend has put an 18rg into his RA60 and he had crossmember issue if i recall correctly. BTW the car caught fire. A fuel line going to one of the carbies broke or came loose. He said it hammered even on two cylinders though.

[o_man_ra23]

There was an engine mounting change from 18R to 20R... the mounts on the 18R sit further forward of the centreline of the block to the 2xR.

I have done the aforementioned 22RE + manual into 21RC + auto RA60 conversion, and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that it isnt that hard if you can work out wiring (having a BEng(elec) helped me). It also produces a LOT more torque, which is good in said heavy ugliness.

4As just lack the torque and should never be inserted into a 1000+kg car... save em for rollas and TA22s.

3S... yes it is a PITA to do the RWD conversion, but it has been covered nicely by a few people, and is quite doable, plus the rewards are there.

1G... fairly simple conversion, quite rewarding, but you have the extra cost of 6 cyl rego, gotta convert the tacho to 6 cyl, etc etc.

1UZ... similar frustration of cylinder adding(V8) to the 1G, but has a bucketload of torque and its quite light.

Rotor motor... Lots of noise, lots of go, lots of trips to the spare parts shop... plus only DQIKST will talk to you afterwards as everyone else will call you a blasphemer.

"insert random Nissan/Mitsubishi etc motor here"... dont do it, you will lose all credibility, and your penis will shrink.


In summing up, my personal choice is the 3SGTE, can be found also in ST215 Caldina GTs (many blank looks await you) in the gen 4 form, which is superior to all. 265hp from the box, then you start modding. ST205 GT4 Gen 3 3SGTE's are very nice, but can be touch and go with the blocks, as reports have it that there was a casting shift, so you may need to sleeve bores 2 and 3 if you want big numbers (300-400ish hp shouldnt be much of a drama). Earlier than that and they get less good as the clock turns back, but can be brought up to the standard of the later engines. MR2 GTs are another good source of the 3SGTE, and have an extra rib in the intake side of the block (deleted from AWD vehicles due to the gearbox) which give extra support for the required custom engine mount.

A motor not yet covered is the 2ZZ from the current model toyotas. VVTLi means you have an arseload of top end power while maintaining reasonable torque, and Lotus has proven they like to be supercharged.

3S-GE 'BEAMS' motor from the Lexus IS200 Altezza is a 250BHp naturally aspirated 2Ltr 4 cyl, can come with 6speed manual for the close ratios you always wanted, and with VVTi on both cams, its still got quite respectable torque. Not really cheap in anyones books, but a miracle of a motor none the less. There is a lot of electrical installation required with this motor.

As Skiddz mentioned, work out what you want from the car, and then look for an engine using the information available to you, and the depth of your pockets as a guide.

Can I ask what your budget is, apart from "a good leg"??

Cheers, Owen

PS, this message was created using the 'quick reply' function... ironic isnt it??