22re Supercharger

[Norbie]

Just because it can and has been done doesn't necessarily make it a great idea.

My opinion only of course.

[hybrid_turbo]

yeah thats matts car there, i think hes running 5psi atm but will be up at 10psi as soon
as he gets back from work (cruise ship)

he does actully get pretty good times with his celica compared to what a stock celica
gets which is around the 20sec 1/4mile

[MWP]

IMO it's a great idea if you want a super-torquey engine for towing stuff in your Hilux, but if you're after performance it's a crap idea.

Care to elaborate?
Compared to what, turboing instead?

I think he wants to leave the bottom end stock... so no changing compression etc.
So that immediately gives a fairly low boost limit.

A SC14 will give enough boost to probably push the boundaries of detonation at stock compression, esp with a pulley ratio of near 2:1.
So no advantages for going for a turbo for higher top end boost.
He is also willing to ditch the aircon (i think) and put the SC14 in its place, which should also make supercharging easier and cheaper to setup than a turbo.

[sam-131]

take the head off give the squash pad a hit with the die grinder thicker head gasket tada! lowered cr and if you want to go to the extent of changing cams even better and run a water injection and detonation is no longer your foe

i mean really if your got a grinder and a set of tools it's a farily easy job which would cost how ever much a hg goes for

22r isnt no 2jzgte UelH but it can punch out the numbers if the person knows what his doing reallitvly cheap just look at every one else who hasnt been so luck to get twin camed engines the datto boys punch out crazy numbers from the l series motors all ya gotta do is to get it to flow and that means rip that crappy head off it a sorce a 20r head from the states or were ever

" dont nock it till you've tryed it" i mean has anyone one really built a 22r proper? it's got the cc's and it's got the strength just needs a few fiddles

[Shifty]

Care to elaborate?
Compared to what, turboing instead?

I think he wants to leave the bottom end stock... so no changing compression etc.
So that immediately gives a fairly low boost limit.

A SC14 will give enough boost to probably push the boundaries of detonation at stock compression, esp with a pulley ratio of near 2:1.
So no advantages for going for a turbo for higher top end boost.
He is also willing to ditch the aircon (i think) and put the SC14 in its place, which should also make supercharging easier and cheaper to setup than a turbo.

Norbie wasn't saying turbocharge it. He was saying don't bother as it's a 22RE.

I considered turbocharging mine for shits & giggles, but that's only because I have most of the stuff I need already at hand, and can fabricate most other parts like manifold & exhaust for next to nix.

If you actually have to BUY a supercharger, then all the shit to make it work... it might be an improvement but you're really better off putting up with the 22R until you can (a) afford a better motor or (b) afford a better vehicle in standard form (eg. a 3RZ hilux)

[bradz65]

Thanks everyone for your input, the idea was thown up and it seems gd for a bit more power at the moment. As Mark said prob not gonna really touch the bottom end yet and could sacrifice the a/c for the supercharger. Next item though is an after market computer and that should help the cam and give it a nice increase. Have already changed the afm to a 5me afm.

Oh and simple61 is my mate he was just stirring

[hybrid_turbo]

from what everyone on celica-gts says you cant exacltly get a aftermarket ECU for the
22re, instead buy a megasquirt and use that... RA65 on here has one he is building one

LCEngineering
they have pretty much anything you want for the 22re, cams, cam gears, s/c, turbo kits..
but it aint cheap

[mullett]

I don't see why not...maybe you can't get a plug-and-play, but something like an EMS (even an older DualSport) can be used to run a car which was never EFI (with the right sensors/injectors etc), so I can't see a problem. That being said, given the availibility and popularity of 1G motors here, I'd just go for that as far as bang-for-your-buck goes...

RM.

[Pube]

in the US i think they made a turbo 22RE. Do some research as there is plenty of info out there on 22r's as the yanks have spent some years modifying them. I guess there could be a possibility of sourcing a 22RE turbo ecu?

[Norbie]

The 22R-TE was an absolute bucket of poo. It came with an earth-shattering 135hp out of the box and was known for lunching turbos, so I wouldn't bother going down that path.

Yes you can get silly power out of a 22R, yes lots of people have done it, yes it will cost three times more than a 1G-GTE or 1G-GZE conversion. See where I'm going with this?

[hybrid_turbo]

unless you have seen a 22RTE in person or have had one then how do you know... there
is alot of celica guys in the US that have these engines in their celicas and have no
trouble with them, just like any other engine that has seen well over 200-300,000km it will
start to shit it self. the 22TE has seen more stress than a normal car becuase it is a truck
engine, which means its been put under more load then a normal engine... its also done
a shit load more km than most other cars

[Ashe]

Norbie I completely respect you and overall I would agree swapping in a 1GGTE is a way better idea than building up a 22RE/RTE, If the 1GGTE is available, we didn't get any and we don't have near as many engine importers importing Toyota engines as you aussies do. Between that and any chance of finding parts or someone who can work on them most of us try and make do with what we have.

[Norbie]

No doubt this is true, but the person who started this thread is an Aussie and my advice is given accordingly.

[MWP]

I dont think Brad wants to spend the amount of $$s it would take to get a 1G installed and have it legal, hence considering 22R mods.

... and dont say that installing a 1G will be cheaper than bolting a SC14 to the 22R, because it wont be.

[Norbie]

No, but there's a lot more than "bolting on" an SC14 to get a good result.