Ta22 Conversion Help.

[Dmbandits]

I have a Ta22 with very little rust and a good interier but no engine. I was thinking about an SR20DET with a hilux diff. and modded drive shaft. I've also been searching on the forums and found some info on using supra or ford disk brakes to get rid of the drum brakes but none of the posts i found don't really tell the difficulty of the install or a suspension that will mate with it. I may have miss something but please do not flame me for it, I'm just trying to find out if the SR20DET is a good motor for the cars weight distribution as well as a disk setup all the way around with a newer suspension that'll fit in. I can TIG weld and fabricate parts which is no problem, I just have no idea where to start. I would like to end up with a decently power Ta22 that handles very well. I have about 5 1/2 grand for everything, just missing 2 grand until taxes come back. So I would like any suggestions you veterans have on what would be most logical setup for the Ta22 to have power and great handling. Thanks.

[Norbie]

For $5.5k you might want to set more modest goals, it will cost more than that to do what you're proposing.

The SR20 isn't a bad choice for a car like this, but the engine bay is pretty small so you might want to get your tape measure out. If it was me I'd be looking at the 4A-GZE, it's very compact and will fit easily.

The Hilux diff is overkill at this power level, but if you do go down that path you can adapt MA70 Supra brakes relatively easily. GiantTomato posted a guide on how to do this, if you search around you should be able to find it. It was a while ago so it might be on the old forums.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the rear brakes though, what you really need to do is upgrade the fronts. The tiny discs on a TA22 are barely adequate for the stock 2T, let alone a modern turbocharged engine.

[YLD-16L]

For $5.5k you might want to set more modest goals

$5.5k US (I assume the FL means Florida?) and he said he's handy with the TIG, so he could get a fair bit done for that money.

Not sure what an SR20DET goes for over there as that'll eat up a bit of the budget.

Even in US $ that budget as Norbie said will be tight for what you want if you want it done well.

[Dmbandits]

Thanks for the suggestions, and I'm sorry i double posted under two different thread names when firefox messed up on me. My first idea was the 4A-GZE but I was worried about part availability since it's a little older engine. I can get a 240sx front clip SR20DET for around $1800 but I also found some good low mile 4A-GZE's for under a grand. And if the Hilux diff is over kill what is a good LSD diff that'll handle 300 - 400 hp. Also my budget will include no labor since I'm doing all the work and have a full shop to do it in. I expect to pay around 2k max for the engine w/(ecu, harness, tranny, mounts) about $100 in steel and consumables, $500 for the diff., 1k for breaks/suspension?, $120 for the paint, 400-600 on tires, and have about +$500 for what ever comes up. Also I would prefer it to be a toyota engine but I don't want limit myself with something that have low availability or pay a lot for something really new. I would just like to get the engine in stock for right now then I'll start modding it later if i don't make it my daily driver. Sorry again for the double post and yeah I'm in Florida. Please to correct me if I've missed something or any unreasonable prices I set. Have a good one.

[chrisrundell69]

well if u can get an sr20 for that may as well go that or the honda engine was a good one they do in the US as well. but if u wanna keep it all toyota definately go 4agze

[o_man_ra23]

Is it a short nose or a long nose TA22?? I know you fellas got the long nose job at some stage, not sure if that gives you any extra engine bay.

As the other fellas said, a 4AGZE will fit in better. There are a myriad of parts available for them as all the sprinter nuts love them. Also they have a forged bottom end from factory, so you can get around the 300+ Hp mark without touching the bottom of the engine.

Also, if you are handy with fabrication, why dont you change the rear end to the F series RA65 IRS setup?? Somebody on here has done it with an RA40. You will need to shorted the arms up etc to fit in a TA22, but with a TIG and a workshop, anything is acheivable. The diff isnt usually LSD, but that can be changed with a centre from a cressida or similar... search the forums on F series LSDs. Also these diffs are available with rear disk.

As for the front end, find a disk the size you want, and a matching calliper and make up a bracket to suit. Brake upgrades are reasonably easy with the right tools. Or you can go with the tried and true cut down RT133 corona struts, AW11 rear strut inserts, pugeuot rotors and hilux 4pot callipers. Search on here how to do it. (this is usually used in RA23/28, but there has been a lot of talk about cutting down the struts and using AW11 inserts for either lowering or using in TA22s)

Sounds like your keen to get something with a bit of potency, and with the tools and skills you have available... you should be able to pull off a $5.5k screamer, so good luck to you mate, and keep us posted on what you do.

Cheers, Owen

[Jonny Rochester]

>>>> 2t-g <<<<

[o_man_ra23]

My first idea was the 4A-GZE but I was worried about part availability since it's a little older engine.

>>>>2t-g<<<<

Jonny, if he is worried about the 4AGZE being too old and hard to get parts for, why would he get a 30 yr old carbied motor which is impossible to get parts for?? Be careful or you will get a neg rep turkey slapping.

Cheers, Owen

[Turdinator]

Hi Dmbandits. There are a few guys getting around the US with honda F20C engines. This seems like a good conversion, although keeping it toyota would be nice. You could also use a 3SGE Beams engine for similar results. Thats if your happy to keep the car atmo. If turbo is more your thing then the SR20DET is a good engine. But don't discount the 3SGTE or slapping a turbo on a 4AGZE as good toyota options. There is plenty of info on these conversions on toymods but check classic celica for the F20C stuff. Just be patient with the toymods search i find it a PITA myself but you can usually find what your after in the end.

I put this in his other thread and can't be bothered updating for whats been said here. But you get the idea...

[sideshow]

go for the sr20t
i have done them in ke30 corollas and they fit ok
so i guess ta22 should be ok but best to double check

best thing with sr20t is so much aftermarket parts that bolt up easily

much more than any 4cyl toyota

[kugzs]

you have mentioned
breaks, suspension, motor, tranny, diff, tyres

dont forget to budget for
Upgraded fuel system, cooling, engineering (if applicable) bigger wheels to fit over brakes, and little things like mounting the battery in the boot to make more room for i/c piping, gauges, bushes, exhaust

Sure some of these are little things but on a tight it all adds up

[river]

Hi,

Jonny, if he is worried about the 4AGZE being too old and hard to get parts for, why would he get a 30 yr old carbied motor which is impossible to get parts for??

But Jonny's from Tasmania, and the 2T-G is probably new and hi-tech stuff down there!

nyuk nyuk nyuk

seeyuzz
river

[o_man_ra23]

Very funny old man... two carbs on the manifold, two heads on the neck... coincidence??

Cheers, Owen

[Dmbandits]

I've done a good bit of research on the 4A-GZE and I'm sold on using it for the celica. This way i'll shave about 1k off my budget for other things and it'll be kept in the toyota family. I'm doing the body work right now and should have it all done by the week after next. I'll be taking everything out, sand blasting, and repaint everything inside and out. I had a thought about the paint; i was wondering if it has lead in it and if i should wear more then my coveralls and mask? Also this isn't too pressing seeing how it'll be a while down the road but has anyone used a large turbo setup with the superchager to spool it, that way you wouldn't have to deal with the lag? I will be posting my progress with write ups and pics as it comes. Last, I'd just like to know what power the F series RA65 can handle? I've been searching google and here with no luck. Thank you guys again, love the support in here; unlike a lot of other car forums.

[o_man_ra23]

Good to see your keepin it in the family. Using the supercharger to feed a turbo is called twincharging... there is info on it around here and elsewhere on the net. Brett_Celicacoupe from these forums has done a lot of research on the topic, and im sure he would help you find the info.

I believe Norbie has a 1or 2JZGTE giving an F series IRS diff a harsh life... and hes pumping an arseload more HP and torque into that diff than your looking at getting... its been going strong for several years, so yeah, they have some potency. MA61 supra may have stronger axles etc, though if your shortening it, then you will need to find other axles anyways.

Lead based paints went out in the 50's, so your pretty safe mate.

Good luck, and make a members ride thread.

Cheers, Owen