3T-GTE Random Part. WHAT IS THIS PART?!?

[setsuna]

Any engine builder who takes pride in there work will trial assemble an engine before final assembly. Its why good engine builders take longer and charge more. A little more time and money on the rebuild often equals allot less time, headache and money and disasters later on. I hope they sort it out for you

actually, they did do one or two trial assemblys. but that sounded mainly to find out compression ratio, and clearances I guess.

[setsuna]

ToyMan, I agree.
I was EXTREMELY pleased taking my engine to this guy.
talking to him, I could talk to him for 30minutes every time I called him for something small..
he would usually try and make time to answer all my stupid questions

just later in the piece, when I was getting edgy to have it before Christmas, where all parts were ready, and waiting to be assembled, just sitting for 3weeks.

I am all for listening to them. that is the main reason I did n ot build the engine myself. sure I could have done it. but they have years and years of experience, and it should have been alot easier than this ^_^
I will question them on what they think (mainly about the headgasket) but will go with what they think is best, ive let them try and disassemble the oil pump drive shaft..

WE WILL SEE!

-DAvid

[TheToyman75]

David,

I have never tryed to pull apart one of those drive shafts, if they stuff and can't get you a replacement I may have a spare one.

I'd contact the MLS supplier and just see what they say as piece of mind. If it hasn't been started and gotten hot (which it clearly hasn't) then chances are the bonding agent hasn't "stuck" yet so it wil be ok to remove and refit. Just to clarify did they use a bonding agent such as 3Bond as well as the MLS ???

[GasedT18]

TheToyman75
There is a balance between taking an active and informed interest in your engine build and insulting the people you are dealing with.

For sure. I do tend to bristle with spikes when I get irritated, frustrated - not one of my best features I would expect the better experts would encourage you to ask questions as well as offer information i.e., share in your enthusiasm. Ultimately your paying for the time. It's an educative process too and no good teacher would consider a question 'dumb' (well not often). It's experts who get high and mighty that one should be wary of.

I wasn't implying asking the re-builders if they knew how to torque a head down - that would be an insult. Rather, that they should be able and willing to inform you how it's done and even how, if you wanted to do it yourself, to go about it or give some tips as to how to find out more information. In my case it is probable that a certain mechanic didn't do what if I asked about would have been insulted. We all make mistakes but in this case as a consumer I'm paying for their mistake, shit happens. I'm learning how to DIY - that's good, sort of. I'd rather be getting on with my own projects in a slow and methodical approach. It's difficult to guarantee mechanical work on engines and I had to smile at the warranty terms on my ACL gasket.

Owen

David... I would too have reservations about disassembling the oil pump drive... if it doesn't just pull apart by hand, I wouldn't let them force it (only one of my 18RG drives fell apart by hand, and I was suspect of it)

I doubt they could get it apart without forcing it. Force properly applied is OK. It is likely to be a hot/cold pressure/interference fit and remotely a cryo fit. Even if the workshop manual doesn't show it as disassemblable or warns against it may be do-able in the right hands. The problem I see is that I can't see how it can be easily re-assembled with one half of the shaft in the engine

Does the workshop manual show it as a disassemblable item (try saying that after a few beers )? Anyone got a 3TGTEU workshop manual they can share some information from?

Cheers

David

Fingers crossed soon to be owner of 3TGTEU for existing T18 TE-72 3T-C 1982 dual fuel – expect some questions will arise

[o_man_ra23]

Well put Gassed, but I think your bang on the money about the re assembly. My 18RG (same oil pump drive) manual didnt show it disassembled. And none of my good drives ever came apart, even after trying, so I am guessing they have a ridge in them, and its a cryo fit, which makes it very hard to pull apart, let alone put back together.

Cheers, Owen

[TheToyman75]

I wasn't implying asking the re-builders if they knew how to torque a head down - that would be an insult. Rather, that they should be able and willing to inform you how it's done and even how, if you wanted to do it yourself, to go about it or give some tips as to how to find out more information.

Does the workshop manual show it as a disassemblable item (try saying that after a few beers )? Anyone got a 3TGTEU workshop manual they can share some information from?

Cheers

David

Fingers crossed soon to be owner of 3TGTEU for existing T18 TE-72 3T-C 1982 dual fuel – expect some questions will arise

David,

Good luck getting your hands on a 3T-GTE they can be a rewarding engine and being of a basic design can be great to lean allot on.

When quizing your mechanic keep one thing very much in mind, his existance depends on doing mechanical work to for you, not teach you the ins and outs of his trade. If you find allot of mechaincs reluctant to pass on the info your after you should keep that in mind. The more specialized or skilled the mechanic the more reluctant they will be and rightly so.

As for pulling appart the oil pump drive shaft..... I sure as hell wouldn't be tryiing it. I don't remember it being a viable option at all.

[setsuna]

it is a HKS MLS Gasket. it appears to be 'glued' down with some orange goop, as some of the compound has squished from the edges.
when I used a copper gasket in my old engine, I used some goo given to me from a mate.
he said it was used to stick on motorcycle metal headgaskets.
it was pretty weird white stringy stuff to work with. I sure as hell wouldn't like to try and take the head off now..

I got the gasket through greenline, I will send them off an email, hopefully they will bother to respond

-DAvid

[GasedT18]

Hi David,

how did it all work out in the end?

David

[setsuna]

well, going to pickup the engine friday.
he says the part was not there, I say it was.
I say the part was in the box of bits returned with the engine, so they had it when they assembled, the guy that built the engine says it wasn't there.. pretty deadlocked.

I complained I had paid you guys enough bulk money to build this thing in the first place.. I am capable of building it myself, but because I was scared id miss something and do it wrong.. its a performance engine.. not worth not doing it right.. then you guys stuff it up and leave parts out..

I winged about the gasket a bit 'yes.. well thats not mentioning.. the gasket.. that hks don't recommend reusing.. blahblahblah

he said yes.. came of very cleanly anyway.. and hadn't been re torqued..
yes trust you guys experience and recommendation blahblah

he admitted there was so many parts and not being able to recall seeing stuff that wasn't going to be used.. can't say what was used and what was not.

YES! EXACTLY!! I handed over every single little part!

so came down to customer always right.
no charge for putting the part in

finally almost complete!!!

need to do the ignition system and ECU stuff now!!

-DAvid

[TheToyman75]

Great to here they did the right thing by you.