Holden253 into Ta22

[twentyEight]

Mmmm, boat anchor in the front of a TA22...

Me thinks this may be good for burnouts with the extra weight up front!

Grab yourself a tailshaft loop, disconnect the rear brakes, and enter a few comps...

[Wolfie]

253 IMO is a waste of a donor car, sure the engines themself are practically worthless (i gave away 3 running 253 recently as they're just a waste of space no one wants)...only plus is lots of parts, if i were to v8 a car like a Ta22 i'd use a 302 windsor or a small block chrysler, nice and thin with more power...the 318 chrysler engines can be had for around $150, I'm turboing one, doing a stroker for a 1000+ rwhp on a hotrod i'm building (although for that my internals cost ALOT of money, close to $10k, and the turbo close to $7k).

Strong little engines from chrysler and take well to forced induction.

[MRMOPARMAN]

give it a try and see what happens. if it doesnt go as planned, pull the engine and play wth something else. you wouldnt loose that much money if your doing it all yourself. i agree the 253s are boat anchors stock, but modded they can get along alrght.

should be cheap to get some power out of being a holden..

[vh3800]

Why didnt you go with a 308 its the same block just diffrent crank and rods.?

[75Ta22LT]

308 would be the goods over a 253.

Ive seen a 22R conversion (god knows why!) into a ta22.

Made the car WAY to front heavy for handling, just developed MASSIVE understear.
253 or 308 is definitely going to be a heavier unit than the 22R, so the understear is probably going to be magnified.

The 22's where always just a little bit front heavy.

Solution - Big Phat Diff, Always topped up fuel tank.

My spare 22 has a nice little lightweight 4age up front, a lux diff in the rear, and a bigger fuel tank (58L i think). The weight distribution in this thing is 'bootiful'
Ive managed to just keep up with a NA sw20 through some nice windey roads.

Its almost a perfect handling setup, custom front/rear sway bars.

To get a 253/308 into the 22 and expect it to drift is plausible, however the car is going to be so whippy i'd expect to see you spin out 9 out of 10 times.

Instead - Have some fun, hit it with some nitrous, and just get to the drags!

[Robbos_Toyotas]

arguable all holden 8's are shit to get power out of prior to the LS1.

Ive got a 302 windsor in my ma61 pushing upwards of 450hp NA, admittedly it cost me a bit, but its reliable, sounds farking awesome and goes like a shower of shit - it is front sump too, so fitted relatively easily into a supra/ celica.

[MRMOPARMAN]

i reckon a leyland/rover/ls1 v8 would be the go in this case. nice and light, and a piece of piss to get 300hp (the ls1 already has more).. thats all ya need

[Rusty]

hey guys,

i picked up the engine and bits last night looks alright to start with.

I am going to put the engine in the ta22 and if it doesnt work for anything drag, drift, burnout, motokarna i will kick myself in the nuts and choose a different engine

[Grega]

yeah look give it a try. it can't hurt if anything its a learn for you....
re: weight distribution - throw a ford nine inch in the back and weight distribution should be right on

um, there is a white ta22 around here with a 302 in it. it absolutely HAMMERS. scary.
if you like cast iron you could also look at a holden v6. cheap and plentiful

a blue two-fiddy-free would be OK, don't throw 308 parts at it though and expect it to perform as it won't - it needs higher port velocities than the old 308 - hence 308 cams ect don't work as well (as they do in a 308) in the 253.

they're also a bit more revvier than the 308. could always look at the stroked 253 also.

failing that, 1uz (done before), rover v8 (done before), ls1 (never seen that done) - either would be interesting.

go for it! let us know how you go.

[Rusty]

The engine is a blue two-fi-tree and will be hopefully being rebuilt before putting in, will take photos and post up soon.

[smokem1]

There used to be a red celica down at hidden valley drags few years back, had a V8 in it, bigger than a 253, sounded like a tractor on steroids, lumpy az, can't remember any times it was running, can remember the booing from a lot of spectators (yobbos) though. easily dropped the best burnouts of the night . Still the only ol skool celica ive ever seen there. Only a handful of em getting around the streets now.

GL with the build i'll keep an eye out for it once u finished.

[PuGZoR]

IMHO, if you're intent on a Holden V8 powered TA22, throw the 253 in and see how it goes, and if you want more later you can always get a 308, as it'll be bolt in. There's an old Holden saying though about the 253 that I think you should take heed to.

253: Fuel consumption of a V8, Power of a straight six.

In other words, if you wanted to go an old Holden engine usually the choice is 186, 202 (both inline sixes) or 308 if you want V8 awesomeness.

Yes boys, the only reason I know this is because I owned 4 old Holdens till recently. HT and HJ Kingswoods, LJ and LX Toranas. Still got the HJ and the LJ, although the LJ is far superior because I've restored it to factory condition, heh, while the HJ is just a run around with a bent up door, and average Kingswood paint, neat interior but no rust to speak of. Both run excellent.

Having said that, please don't hurt me, haha. I've been loyal to Toyota for spirited cars. Owned an MR2 SW20 Turbo, but sold it to make way for a super dorifito spec AE86.

[Night Rider-TA23]

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253: Fuel consumption of a V8, Power of a straight six.

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This is really only true for the red motors, in stock form they had two barrel manifolds with a stromberg WV carb. Blue series should have four barrel manifolds but they run ADR27A pollution control (exhaust injection to inlet manifold , easily disabled ).

[MOOKIE]

i think u will find most 253s didn't make much more power then a 4age

[Grega]

i think u will find most 253s didn't make much more power then a 4ag

but how about torque?