Possible New Project - AE92 With worked 4age or 4AGZE conversion

[maj]

Perhaps engine suggestions are better left to people who have owned and driven the engines in discussion

But you questioned my description of a GZE, based on an assumption on how my automatic transmission must be different to manual, despite not owning one yourself? Rich.

"less throaty on the intake" that's exactly what I meant about the sound. Instead the induction noise of an SC reminds me of a 6 cylinder, deep and somewhat more gradual. Sure the gearing influences it as well, especially on my tall 3 speed + overdrive auto.

I'm not disagreeing with anything here. I was just stating my observations and never at any point mentioned this was gospel because I had owned and driven both under identical circumstances. I was simply giving my own 2c on the topic and throwing out ideas in terms of where you could also take an engine build.

[kiwi]

C56+LSD = pretty damn good around the track. Good ratios and makes the 20v work nicely, still what ever you buy you will be beaten by a 18 year old with a Honda Civic VTEC.

Is this daily+trackday or Trackday+daily??

[maj]

I didn't see any mention of a trackday, just "fun around the hills", surely trackdays would come later on though.

I'm sure there's a long list of cars that would beat it. In Australia "boy racers" aren't as popular as they used to be, though there's still a good measure of Pulsars etc. out there. Most kids usually just hop into commodores or skylines these days.

If you're basing what car to own purely dependent on what might beat it, then you need to wake up up to yourself. In a competitive race series yeah sure fastest will always win, but for a daily drive? There's always someone out there that's faster than you

[kiwi]

Just saying, what engine he picks will depend on what he wants to do with the car.

Daily+trackday = 4age, nice and fuel economical when needed, power up high when pushed
Trackday + Daily = 4agze, tourque and power when needed and drivable on the road

Thats just my 2c, when looking at what engine to swap in, I looked at what I wanted the engine to do. Mine is a trackcar that I drive on the road. Very hard suspension, everything possible removed and loud. But the pro side is it does everything I want it to do.

Never said anything about boy racing.

Plus the B16's are damn hard to chase down on the track, they just are faster thats a fact. Not saying it can't be done, just aint easy.

I say a light tuned 20v, 5 speed box and you would be happy.

[RONA]

If anything the 4agze makes more sense for a daily as it makes bulk torque so you don't need to rev the shit out of it to have some fun every now and again. My only 4a experience was in a Blacktop in an AE111 and to be honest it was boring as bat shit and slow. Fix the Caldina and keep it, you'll spend just as much trying to build the Corolla and it won't be as fast anywhere.

[knightrous]

Take the 3SGTE out of the Caldina and drop it into the Corolla, will be faster then the boaty Caldina would ever hope to be

[trdee]

Maj, you are a nice guy but you need to stop parroting second hand information garnered from the internets, especially when it's regarding posts in the tech section.

I played lander heaps when I was a kid but I'm not gonna tell you how to repair your lunar module...

[dnegative]

I can assure you that the most responsive, and the most fun is always the SC variants

I dont know;
On the street the 4agze was a way better car to drive as a daily with the odd blat but I felt it never held a candle to my ITB NA when it came to fucking about fun, same deal on the track, had more power for the most part (died up top hard though) but it did feel a little boring to fang around compared to my other car. I took Vito for a spin, he can attest to straight pipe and ITB awesomeness. I've done a 1:15.8 in my NA which alright given its shortcomings as a car and I reckon there is another 2 seconds with a few minor tweaks + driver who is not a shit ****.


Stock for stock driving the thing around town, would go for a 4AGZE, its a whole lot nicer to cruise around town with. Has plenty of low and mid range pull. For track/abuse sort of driving you need to drive both before making your mind up, plenty of people in both camps.

[RONA]

Take the 3SGTE out of the Caldina and drop it into the Corolla, will be faster then the boaty Caldina would ever hope to be

I think you need to go for a run in a Caldina with a decent set of coilovers in it, they are far from boaty.

[Harreh]

I dont know;
On the street the 4agze was a way better car to drive as a daily with the odd blat but I felt it never held a candle to my ITB NA when it came to fucking about fun, same deal on the track, had more power for the most part (died up top hard though) but it did feel a little boring to fang around compared to my other car. I took Vito for a spin, he can attest to straight pipe and ITB awesomeness. I've done a 1:15.8 in my NA which alright given its shortcomings as a car and I reckon there is another 2 seconds with a few minor tweaks + driver who is not a shit ****.


Stock for stock driving the thing around town, would go for a 4AGZE, its a whole lot nicer to cruise around town with. Has plenty of low and mid range pull. For track/abuse sort of driving you need to drive both before making your mind up, plenty of people in both camps.

No doubt theres something to be said about a well sorted NA, having said that comparing your NA in its current trim to your brothers unmodded SC isnt a fair comparison.

In the end with a reasonable but not silly modification path that I took with my GZE to what you did with your NA (ECU, Intake, Exhaust) plus an intercooler mine had absolutely no discernable drop off - even at 15PSI it pulled cleanly to the rev limiter. Both have their place, the spyder feels very similar to the way an NA Adub drives, however with a bit more punch from the extra KW, capacity and VVT and I love it. But my SC before I stripped it down to be turbo'd was a bucket of antisocial laughs

[dnegative]

I think its a personal preference at the end of the day; some people like blondes and some people like brunettes but you cant say which one you prefer till you have tried both

No doubt theres something to be said about a well sorted NA, having said that comparing your NA in its current trim to your brothers unmodded SC isnt a fair comparison.

Its got a massive pulley and exhaust, for the modest power it makes its fucking quick off the line and you can smash through the first 3 gears like nothing. People can think and say what they want but they go pretty hard for what they are. For a street car I would have one any day of the week, they are alright on fuel too.

[kiwi]

I think its a personal preference at the end of the day; some people like blondes and some people like brunettes but you cant say which one you prefer till you have tried both

Quoted for truth..... But no reason you can't play with both and make sure they never meet unless they like that sort of stuff and you take the belt.

Find out if any members have the setup you are looking at and see if they will take you for a ride, then copy their setup and you will be sweet.

[trd_st184]

haha thanks heaps for everyones comments, i'm sorry I haven't been able to reply sooner.

The appeal of the supercharged motor for overall driveability is definitely very appealing. My only main issue is having to cut the bonnet to fit the bonnet scoop (although it does look pretty cool lol)

Since going from a 4afc motor, my first step would be to bring the car up to SX spec, which would include a SX dash, sx brakes, sx body loom (the seca SX seems the most similar chassis wise) and if I wanted I could even just slot in the 4age 16v motor.

I would likely stop at a set of 256 degree cams and extractors with the 4age 16v at the moment (would start work in about 7 months as I am saving for a house atm).

The 4agze would likely receive the same treatment, a set of 256 cams and some extactors. I wouldn't likely go turbo in the future as I do like factory ecu setups (although limiting, I don't need any tuning done).

Its been a good 5 years or so since i've been in a 4agze before (was a ae82), but i've had a 20v and 4age 16v in the past but its been so long its hard to remember what either felt like.

[trd_st184]

Part of my decision to go the 4age small port 16v motor would be the ability to run 256 or 264 degree cams on the stock ecu and still see reasonable drivability. Billzillas web site mentioned that the stock ecu should be able to keep up with 264 degree cams. I wonder if I would see much improvement in drivability with even 256 degree

[trdee]

Don't bother with the cams if you are staying on the stock ecu. The car will run but it will run like arse and most likely eventually detonate itself to death.

If you spend the same money you would spend on cams on an ecu instead, you will make more power (with a gze especially) and the car will be more reliable to boot, and sets you up for further mods in the future...

With 4As I go by the following line: If you are doing an engine mod that actually makes a noticeable power increase, then you need an aftermarket ecu for it to run right. If a mod doesnt require an aftermarket ecu to run right, then the mod was a waste of time because it clearly can't be making a noticeable power increase....