22RE performance and toughness

[Stefan]

BTW if you are serious about modding a 2xR, subscirbe to the Old Celica CLub email list at www.celicas.org - they are the 2xR experts.

[RONA]

BTW if you are serious about modding a 2xR, subscirbe to the Old Celica CLub email list at www.celicas.org - they are the 2xR experts.

Also look at some 4x4 forums theres a few nutters with worked 22re's in 4 runners and the like. They are a tough motor and will cop abuse, stock redline is 5800rpm but they make stuff all power above 5000rpm anyway (stock).

[MWP]

BTW if you are serious about modding a 2xR, subscirbe to the Old Celica CLub email list at www.celicas.org - they are the 2xR experts.

Forums here too:
http://www.classic-celica.com/

A lot of US 2xR modders in there.

[Norbie]

As I understand it this is a low-budget project, so the aftermarket goodies from LC Engineering et al are probably out of the question (take a look at their website and you'll see what I mean). Getting reasonable performance out of a 22R will cost you a bundle of money, there's no way around that.

But anyway, if you're happy with the stock power output of a 22R (or slightly higher with extractors etc) then it's a good way to go. It won't make much more power than an 18R but it will have oodles of torque and a nice fat torque curve, and that may well be advantageous in your situation.

[PHOBIA]

I got the message from my 18R thread that im a looney for not running anRG,BUT i cant have one at the moment unless someone wants to sponsor us with a free head.

So One of my sponsors have offered me a complete recently rcoed 22RE from an RT142

Anyone know what they go like and what they will rev to without detonating.
Any info at all would be helpfull to make a decision.
I Will lighten flywheel,extractors and cam.
Maybe chiptorque can touch up ecu.?

To answer your question. If you can get your hands on a 22R-E than take it. It is going to be a better engine than the 18R you currently have on offer.

No, they don't like revving....... but you can gear it to suit as they have torque a plenty.
There is not much you can do with the ecu but a good aftermarket job would be advisable to get the best results from your extractor/cam upgrades.

And most of all they are tough, which for a budget track car would be on top of the list in my books.

Good luck.

[dale30]

From what i have read the 18R is about 66KW and 87KW for the 22RE.
22RE dont rev due to sh#t heads and crappy cam.

Maybe lighten fly wheel..cheap
cam grind cheap
Port and polish free but lots of work.
Adjust spring tension on air flow meter free
Extractors and exhaust free from sponsor.

What do you think,Will it get close to a 88KW 4AGE.????

[Stefan]

By get close, do you mean compared to a 4AG with the same mods? Also, what car is it in... I imagine the 22R is heavier than a lil 4A.

If you can get the above parts/work cheap, then I believe you would have a tough engine with a lot of useable fat midrange torque.. and that would rev a lot more easilly than stock. The main problem with the 2xR has always been the head flow & cam.. I really recommened the OCC link I gave earlier if you follow this route... people who have built up 2xRs and can offer advice on exhaust size, cam profiles, what approach to take to porting, etc. etc.

[RONA]

From what i have read the 18R is about 66KW and 87KW for the 22RE.
22RE dont rev due to sh#t heads and crappy cam.

Maybe lighten fly wheel..cheap
cam grind cheap
Port and polish free but lots of work.
Adjust spring tension on air flow meter free
Extractors and exhaust free from sponsor.

What do you think,Will it get close to a 88KW 4AGE.????

Mine made more power than Mos's 86/88kw 4age on the dyno when I ran it and my car is stock bar a reco.

[Screamn_Sleeka]

He is versing a 4age, thats wat he means,
yea i recon it will be a decent performer, but 4age's are commonly worked to the shit house, and it sounds like ur competition is.

But im still saying, GET A 18RG!

[RONA]

Up a hill the 22re will kill it so much more torque.

[ViPeR_NiPPleX]

www.celica-gts.com forums aren't a bad resource either... mainly yanks, but they play with those boat anchors

Basically for what you can get away with cheaply, id be looking at set of extractors, crower cam(not too hot, not too mild), exhaust size upto 2.25". That should get you off to a good start.

For a few junkyard goodies, check out the 5m-e AFM and throttle body...

Beyond that, head porting will be required. If you have any experience with port matching, id definately do it at a minimum.

[Stefan]

... for example, this post. Has list of engine mods + links to different cams
http://www.celica-gts.com/forums/ind...opic=4681&st=3

Like I posted before, be careful of the specs of locally-available cams. If getting a regrind, I'd be inclined to use the specs of one off one of the manufacturer pages linked from the link above

[chubbylover53]

Hey mate

If it helps, i was thinking about doing the exact same thing for my track car. Even managed to find a 20R head ( which is for sale for the right price ) but in the end i added up the cost and it worked out cheaper to go with a 1ggte.
It's a lighter engine which in turn leads to a better handling car, makes a hell of a lot more power without even touching the engine (makes good for reliabilty) and in the end you finish up with something more accepting to future mods.
Oh yeah and if u drive it off boost ( maybe it's a streeter too) you get much better fuel economy. With all those advantages the extra time it takes you to save up IMO doesn't sound that bad.

Thats my 2c n e ways.
Cheers,
Mike

[dale30]

Thanks guys
Now were getting somewhere..
The 4AGE is in an AE82 but its stock exept for the exhaust.Very light compared to my XT130 though and FWD pulls out of corners well.

Stefan..i checked out those links you gave me thanks, thats why im back on the 22 again.
I think i can get a 5me AFM and throttle body.

Crow seems to have a cam of the same specs as the yanky ones.And Surecam says he can build a good one for me.

By my way of thinking this should be a better package than the 18R.????

[Stefan]

Umm, defiently better than 18R note that it has to be a 5m-Ge... and that mod is probably only relevant to Analog EFI, not the TCCS one, so check which one you are getting.