Possible 2WD Gearboxes for the 1VD series TD V8s

[shane344]

Hi All,

As the thread title suggests, is there anything in the toyota parts bin of gearboxes that might match the 1VD turbo diesel V8s.
I am spit balling a buying a crap heap cheap 2wd hilux and shoving one of these V8s into it and was curious as to what gearbox if any would work.

So my research so far has put the landcruiser GB to likely be a H151F, depending on donor car.
This is probably going to have terrible short gearing for the lighter car mostly unloaded.
So did this series box come in anything else with different gearing and or 2wd.
Apparently Dynas had an old steel case H55, extension housing might bolt up to the newer box removing the transfer case?

If the LC GB is likely to not work that well, how about mating an R series to the H series clutch, bellhousing etc?
Anyone have a source of info for spline types for input and outputs...

The 2.7 petrol luxes circa 2008ish had W series boxes right?
Did the V6 ones have an R series?

I am going to measure up a mates 79 series ute at some stage to figure out if the engine bay in the lux has enough girth/height.

I am sure I am not the only tard who would like the idea of a small sleeper ute with a massive diesel, so someone more industrious than me may have got further down the research road by now.

Thanks

[wa5]

you do know how much these engines cost?

[lexsmaz]

If you get it working it would be a good thing & I'm not sure on your skill / knowledge level, but it might pay to speak to some knowledgeable people on this site as the V8 computer could be a real nightmare ???

[playwme]

you do know how much these engines cost?

I love the idea, but the above problem is the kicker. A rolled LC with a good engine can cost in excess of $15K and a well used engine alone without accessories will set you back $5k.

[cresslux]

yeah they are very expensive engines, and are a wiring nightmare for most people (fly by wire, factory imobiliser and miltiplex networks)
i have seen these go for $8k with all accessories.
it would be cool, but unless you feel like spending $15k on a bunky hilux, i advise againt it.

[dumbass]

They are not to hard t get running
I know the twin turbo v8 diesel is a pretty wide engine and prob won't fit in an earlier 100 series
The 79 series v8 would be easier but still a big engine

[shane344]

Yep, the Toyota tax is strong with this plan...

An email went around my work to sell off one of our crappy luxes.
It has been to the pilbara and back a few times and needs a massive clean and hence isnt a bank breaker.
Agree that over captilising on a crap base could be a bit dumb, if it works out, maybe I could transfer to a nicer shell.
Realistically though I maybe able to sell the 2.7 and box for half the price of the vehicle, or spend a few solid weekends on tidying it up for a few g.

As for the engine, I am still unsure on the source but figured that decline in the number of contractors up north might start speeding up commercial lease and hire car selloffs.
There is a couple on gumtree for cheap, but they might be missing important bits and have hence become unsellable orphans.
I would never bother with a 200 engine as a base as I have also heard that the computers are very interconnected.
A written off 79 ute would be a perfect source but the only thing left to sell off after I strip out the useful bits will be a couple of diffs and a dash if its tried to do a barrel roll.
So after picking one up at auction for 10-15 (ambitious) I might be able to make back a grand or two for the rolling stock which is probably not enough....
I haven't had a chance to chase down an auction rates for salvage vehicles to these are just guesses.

I am a control systems nerd so theoretically I should be able to find the right combo of modules provided I can get them all from the donor.
Two wire serial buses should be easy to replicate provided they come from the same donor but I figure a 79 might not be as complicated as the luxo barge 200.
So yeah I know its not going to be throwing a 1J at a cressida cheap but just thought it might be fun.

Still very feasibility study phase at the moment.
I guess I really like the idea of a modern hotrod interpretation of putting a big modern engine into a smaller commercial.

Its still needs a manual people, any ideas...
I will not hinder this thing with a torque converter.

[lexsmaz]

Sounds like you have looked into things the only thing I would recommend is spending more coin on getting a better Hilux to start with, as unless you are really motivated you probably wont pull it all out again to put in a cleaner vehicle & if you do swap it out it to me that is a massive waste of time effort & then what do you do with the modified shell ?? & to tidy up the one through your work will probably by the sounds of it will never get it looking really clean / tidy / straight, like a clean example to start with & a shit load of time & effort too ..

When I used to check out cars for people my main concern was the body & paint as that is where the big money can be spent as Mechanicals can be fixed for quite a bit less usually, but if the body is really rough / hit hard, then repaired basically a rough / nasty example is what you will end up with unless you throw a heap on money at it ..

My 2 cents worth ..

Good luck with it if you end up going down this path a lot of us would like to see it ..

[maccac__1590]

space may be the big issue, i did read a article where they fitted a vdj79 engine to a live axle 100 series and they needed a body lift to clear, but nothing a bit of measuring wont soon sort out on a lux.

on gearbox note, maybe try some wreckers and find a vdj79 engine/box just to measure up bell housing, it may be the same as the 1uz.... and if thats the case then its just a bellhousing away from a r series, t56 or heaps of other ones

[dnegative]

Buy a smashed/rolled Foton tunland and drop in the 2.8 Cummins ISF?
Its not a V8 but they are a good little unit for a 2WD Hilux

[slipway]

some coasters ha 1hz and 1hdt so could have some form of 2wd h151

[maccac__1590]

^^^ this is true, watch the input shaft lengths but, i recall reading some where that the h150 behind the 1vd in the utes has a longer input shaft that the h150/h151 found behind the 6 cylinders

[mattysshop]

VM R 428....

in factory guise they exceed power and torque outputs of the 1VD... and it's only a 2.8L 4 cyl....

[shane344]

So the feasibility study is technically ended in a fail, the cheap lux that was being moved on from my work is no longer being sold privately.

I will probably still keep this idea in the back of my mind but with the intention to use a nicer, better maintained 99-04 as a base point.

I did have a crawl around under a 79 ute, on first glance the sump might be an issue.
It is a rear sump with not a lot of room for a crossmember, there is no real step up (only about an inch) in front of the pan area as the LC doesn’t have a crossmember.
I will try and get a photo next time I see my mate with the ute.

In other research I did find a cryptic post in a priate4x4 thread pointing to R151 bellhousings using a similar rear pattern to H151 bells (2 bolt holes don’t match).
Google R151 vs H151.
The yanks are having to do lots of research into better boxes for their serious 80 series builds as they only got R151s.

This is interesting as it means it might be possible to bolt the 1VD spec H series bell onto a JZA/JSX spec R154 or even the R151 the lux comes with depending on base spec.
Input length may be an issue, but I believe the R boxes came in a long and short input length also.
Whether this matches, I don’t know…
Probably need to actually go and speak to a gearbox rebuilder who has stock of both and ask nicely to compare the two side by side.

Realistically though, the more I read it will probably be cheaper and simpler in the end to throw a LS1/2/x + T56 it.

What is this VM R 428 you mentioned?

[lexsmaz]

If you do end up going down this path at a later date & you want it to be all legal check with your engineer first on the year of the vehicle as apparently around 1999 - 2000 onwards the original engine & mounts etc in motor cars were designed / taken into the equation as a complete unit in regards to frontal crush area & so depending on your state the Engineers will not sign off on it with a different Engine fitted & obviously different mounts etc etc .. Vic is pretty bad on that front maybe WA is not to bad ??