3TC Windage / Sump design - Good, Bad or waste of time?

[Silly Rabbit]

Hey all,

Just playing around with a spare sump that I want to put in my TA22 that occasionally sees some track time. I spent ages looking around for sump designs and baffling and windage trays etc and thought this may be an easy way to stop some of the oil moving as well as keeping it down near the pickup. Let me know if you think this would work or wouldn't or what could be done better. It's going to be easy enough to get rid of it if needs be as it's only tacked in but just want some feedback from people who may have more experience in this that me. At this stage I'm not looking for some massive winged sump with separate windage tray and baffles with trap doors etc. Just wanting piece of mind that when I put this in the car and take it out on the track that it will hopefully do more good that harm. .(..and yes it is pretty ghetto spec) An useful advice is greatly appreciated. Cheers

[allencr]

So what lube movement is it supposed to decrease/inhibit, vertical splashing from bumps going to the crank???
Also, welding slag doesn't help the pump.
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The sump gets most of its return from a thin flow down the sides of the crankcase, and needs a horizontal plate to keep the lube from climbing its sides, so those short wide notchs should be long & thin.

[J-M kujala]

I think that may cause problem in a long acceleration when oil flows out and you brake down, oil will not go down, most of it goes over baffles, what happens in a long braking... pump take air ? maybe maybe not.. i use like that years a go and got problem, like with stock one also ..

mine now and no problemos...

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[Silly Rabbit]

Cheers guys,so general concensus so far is that it will do either nothing or be detrimental. Easy enough to take it out so anyone else who has an opinion feel free to weigh in and let me know. Or suggest any other cheap easy fixes that could be a goer.

[stidnam]

Moroso 3tc windage tray? Can be had for $40 USD + shipping

[Silly Rabbit]

Yeah I know about the Moroso tray. It was more about what I have proposed as opposed to buying / custom building stuff. On my next engine I will be doing that windage tray with custom sump etc but at the moment it was just to see if my plans were good or bad. Cheers anyway.

[supra2]

Ive been running a standard sump on my 3tgte rally car for over 4 years now with no problems.
The only mod was to add a pair of wings to increase oil capacity.

[Silly Rabbit]

Thanks Supra2. I haven't had any problems with oil surge before but just thought anything to help ensure it doesn't happen. My thoughts are now to just cut the plate out and run it as standard.

[J-M kujala]

I use that moroso windage tray with that oil pan, as ipost pictures.

Also its common case overhere, rally guys says no needed, but when drag slicks bolted on or good sport tires and go to the racing circuits, they found problems, its not one or 2 times when i have saw it.

In a rally there is nOt that bog and long G forces. (to one direction)

Same case to a rallycar, where sump tank is in boot, cannot drive with drag slicks. (without pre punp)

[toyota1515]

Well there is a little confusion here or i may didnt understand well,

The moroso tray is a windage tray not use to baffle oil in corners at all, the use of a tray is to prevent oil splash into the crankshaft journals slowing its momentum down, the baffles of a oil pan are to keep the oil where the oil pump can suck it so there is no oil starvation,

By the way i like the moroso tray a lot, and wont built a T motor without it, and a good baffle pan is always a good addition to any street canyon carving motor on a G machine, so both will work good together,
Be good guys!

[J-M kujala]

Yeap windage tray just got scrapers to rotative oil&air at crank case to get the oil faster down, also stop that rotative wind in a Down there oil pan, and stop oil spilling to the crank, what over the baffles.

Windage tray is not a baffle to the oil pan... But good add.

[w810sc]

I use a high volume pump + windage tray + baffle on my T series and it has never let me down on spirited drives.

[Silly Rabbit]

That's what I wanted to see. Thanks muchly. So in other words I sorta got the plate a bit too high up and would probably need a decent cut out to fit it anyway. If only you had posted those pics before I welded the plate in . Probably should have just asked before I did anything. Is your welded in plate at the same level as the other plate or is it lower down and by how much??