22RE cam choices - opinions

[eightsixboy]

Looking at getting a decent cam for my 22re powered celica.

There are quite a few out there, some from US and some aussie companies.

What would you guy recommend?

Crow cams make a 292 dgree cam which seems like a massive cam looking at the specs.

engnbldr who is meant to be really good for 22r stuff make a cam but there biggest is around 270 with slightly smaller lift then the Crow.

LC enginnering make some pretty big cams to, there 'stage 2' cam is around the 290 degree with pretty big lift, they also have some pretty of tap cams but prob not best for a street.

[ivandude]

i remember reading a lot of the hilux forums they seemed to work their 22RE's more often than RA65 folk did. in the end the car was not really meant for much speed it seemed, but still relatively cheap mods. getting only 20-30hp out of the 2.4l motor seems so small.

here's some good links i remember reading:

Whats the best cam for 22re upgrade??? - YotaTech Forums

22re cam - YotaTech Forums

which cam for 22r - YotaTech Forums

http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showfl...5&o=14&fpart=1

and then of course your best friend for a 22RE guide...

22R Tech Notes

[eightsixboy]

Awesome thanks.

[Youngy]

And some sources for parts. Don't be put off by Gerry Harvey!

Welcome - LC Engineering, Inc. (GUEST-Contact) -

22RE Performance - Performance Parts

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I have got parts from both LC and engnbldr for my 22RE. Have not got any from 22reperformance though.

I am running a engbldr cam myself - but just went with their Torque one. Which some guys on the US forums love - I have not got it in the hilux yet, so don't have any personal opinions.

[Shakotan_Aaron]

with standard motor i wouldnt go any bigger then around 270deg. also these motors dont rev to save themself.

also keep in mind that you wont necessarily get much MORE power but it will shift where the motor makes power.

[eightsixboy]

Cheers.

I find it interesting how all of cams differ alot from company to company, makes choosing very hard as they all claim the same thing ie: more power , pity there isnt much aussie support for the 22r.

[eightsixboy]

with standard motor i wouldnt go any bigger then around 270deg. also these motors dont rev to save themself.

also keep in mind that you wont necessarily get much MORE power but it will shift where the motor makes power.

Yea I read that somewhere to, so I guess a 270 degree would be fine anyways.

I like the LC engineering upgraded head package, not super expensive and atleasy you get a fully reco'd head with cam.

Still contemplating dropping a 18rg or even a 1ggte in but they both have a few headaches. Makes me think wacking a turbo on the 22r isnt such a bad idea.

[Youngy]

Hi,

I got a whole head from Ted at engnbldr (really easy to deal with as well - despite being in the US).

* offroad porting (it is quite extensive for this style head)
* oversize stainless valves on inlet and exhaust
* new springs, retainers, guides etc
* new cam - 261C in my case as I want it to be a torque machine

all for about 900 AUD including shipping - dollar was really good when I did it. But still - no one here can match that here.

Casting is the same as the LC ones - LC will make out this is not the case. But it is.

These things are not 3SGEs so won't really rev and don't really need a big high lift cam.

[Shakotan_Aaron]

all for about 900 AUD including shipping - dollar was really good when I did it. But still - no one here can match that here.

Thats well on your way to a better engine.

Im not going to internet bash you but its probably a good idea for you to sit down and decide exactly what you want out of the car and so forth. Is the money going to get the best results? Is the result going to suit what you want the car for? Id probably stick to a 4cyl personally for weight balance purposes. Bang for buck its hard to go past a sr20det, huge aftermarket support, make descent power and all alloy so light weight. The major downside is the sound. Beams 3sge ticks all the boxes, power, sound and overall performance.

If you do end up going to a larger cam make sure you have the other breathing mods to support it and complement each other. I had a 4ac with 290deg cam, better ignition, strait threw 2" exhaust, 32/36 weber. Was heaps of fun, loved to rev, sounded like a oldschool rally car. Was doughy low in the revs, really needed higher comp to make use of the rest of it. power wise i already had the rest of the gear on there so when i put the cam in it didnt make much difference to power according to my arse dyno. but the way it found its legs in the hi revs was the main reason i liked it. It kept making (small amounts of) power from 5000>7500. I dont think the 22r however with its diesel like performance will have the same characteristics. Its large capacity makes it more akin to turbo.

You will find a lot of cams with have a recommended compression rating and power band.

[eightsixboy]

Thats well on your way to a better engine.

Im not going to internet bash you but its probably a good idea for you to sit down and decide exactly what you want out of the car and so forth. Is the money going to get the best results? Is the result going to suit what you want the car for? Id probably stick to a 4cyl personally for weight balance purposes. Bang for buck its hard to go past a sr20det, huge aftermarket support, make descent power and all alloy so light weight. The major downside is the sound. Beams 3sge ticks all the boxes, power, sound and overall performance.

If you do end up going to a larger cam make sure you have the other breathing mods to support it and complement each other. I had a 4ac with 290deg cam, better ignition, strait threw 2" exhaust, 32/36 weber. Was heaps of fun, loved to rev, sounded like a oldschool rally car. Was doughy low in the revs, really needed higher comp to make use of the rest of it. power wise i already had the rest of the gear on there so when i put the cam in it didnt make much difference to power according to my arse dyno. but the way it found its legs in the hi revs was the main reason i liked it. It kept making (small amounts of) power from 5000>7500. I dont think the 22r however with its diesel like performance will have the same characteristics. Its large capacity makes it more akin to turbo.

You will find a lot of cams with have a recommended compression rating and power band.

Honestly I dont know if I should bother with the 22r or not. Really the only thing making me wanna keep it is for legal reasons, really cbf having issues with different motors.

I would be happy with around 80kw at the wheels so around 140hp. Shouldnt be to hard to do with a fresh motor and some work done to it.

From what I've read the stock cam is crap so even just upgrading the cam should see a decent improvment.

[ivandude]

^^ Theres too many options u can really toy with. In these old cars who really knows what the original motor looks like.. Replace 22RE with something else and no ones the wiser, keep it all stealth and black no chrome bling...

But that aside People have fun in 22RE's i've I've seen some out at drift practises (coronas etc), why not do a bit of work that'll be bang for ur back. I remember when my BHG 22RE was what I thought was decent, then after a rebuild it was MUCH MORE enjoyable to drive.


Whats on the car already?

Go for the small mods, just don't go nuts and waste your money All the cheaper stuff sounds good... Custom cold air intake, extractors, exhaust, stage 1 cam, it should be enjoyable. Then just save your money for something when youre older/better base to work off.

FWIW I went from diff cars, 22RE -> 5M-E -> 2JZ-GE and people will still tell you "not to waste money" on most things unless it has a turdbro' attached.

[Shakotan_Aaron]

assuming you have a RA65? you can get SA63 (?) 2s mounts (and maybe cross member) for a 3s motor. Im sure these plenty of info on it, on this site and others.

Im almost finished the whole mod plating thing with my cressida. The main concern is the engine mounts and clearance for everything (hoses etc). Even if you went for say a gen 2 3sge the mounts should be pretty close and you can go with a W5* still. Mod plating from there forward should be a piece of piss as your not adding a turbo and your going down in capacity and probably a little in weight. Im sure there are some differences in laws for your state but its been so easy as long as you have done everything correctly and dont cut corners.

Just compare the stock for stock outputs.

22RE enigne
3S engine

[eightsixboy]

The car is 100% stock except for a set of extractors, will do intake and ignition advance and see how it goes.

I wouldn't mind a 3sge actually, dont know how well that would go down getting it engineered here in Vic though, would have to pass epa tests and crap like that.