Forced induction and carbs?

[river]

Hi,

easier still - just take mine for a quick drive. You will know straight away.

But that's not going to prove anything. It would have to be the same car, same engine, same everything - the only diff is carb test and then same test with EFI to see the differences.

But, if you're offering for me to thrash it's arse off.....

seeyuzz
river

[sillycar chick]

Although the arguments of carb vs EFI are quite interesting, I think this thread has gone a little off topic. The tread starter's question was about what was involved with what's involved in force-feeding a carby engine. I am also quite interested to see what needs to be done to get, in particular, a 2T-G with twin side solex's to work with a SC12 or SC14 supercharger. I have seen one of these superchargers on a VN V6 commo before, it was extremely easy to fit, but this had injection of course. Or perhaps I should start my own thread since I am enquiring about a specific engine with a specific supercharger.....

[YLD-16L]

Although the arguments of carb vs EFI are quite interesting, I think this thread has gone a little off topic. The tread starter's question was about what was involved with what's involved in force-feeding a carby engine. I am also quite interested to see what needs to be done to get, in particular, a 2T-G with twin side solex's to work with a SC12 or SC14 supercharger. I have seen one of these superchargers on a VN V6 commo before, it was extremely easy to fit, but this had injection of course. Or perhaps I should start my own thread since I am enquiring about a specific engine with a specific supercharger.....

*waves hand in shoo-ing action* Man talk .

Just kidding, what you propose could be done but it's quite a bit of fabrication.

The SC14 Commodore V6 setup looks easy to fit because it is (can be) purchased as a kit with all the necessary hardware/fittings. A bogan mate of mine fitted his in an afternoon and was promptly fanging around the streets with very little additional performance He was happy though.

[sillycar chick]

Man talk? Yeah, usually women think too LOGICALLY and THINK AHEAD, so men dont like them getting involved HAHAHA. I know you were kidding, but I am used to guys who think a girl couldnt possibly be worthwhile talking to about cars. But its ok, I just get more determined to prove them all wrong and build unconventional engines, like the hybrid I just built But now I wanna see what it goes like supercharged. I think I will start up new thread to make it more specific anyways....

[river]

Hi,

Onya Sillius Chickus, tell it like it is sister. Looking forward to your thread.

seeyuzz
river

[ATOYOTA]

who ever neg repped me have some balls to put a name or at least a comment F@%K

i think this thread has brought a good discution and people have probaly learned a thing or two about F/I and carbs

[crowncustom]

I can recall in very early edition of fast fours and rotaries(I'd say quite a few on here were probably still in nappies or a bun in the oven )there was a setup done with two stock 4age engines where they had one running factory efi and another one running twin 40mm webbers and the one on carbs out performed the efi and this was done on a bench dyno.So don't under estimate the old carbie.
Cheers Brett.

This testing was done in a workshop on a bench dyno(motors sat in a cradle)and a lot of tunning was done eg.changing of jets,emulsion tubes etc.I'm definitely not saying that efi isn't the way to go in this day and age but when this was done back in the mid 80's(85-86)when efi was just starting to rear its head here in Australia in locally produced cars.
Cheers Brett.

[Hurricane]

well i can say for me the only way to go was the carby set up cos so far i think aall it has cost me is like $200 if that so yeah, but to do it all good then i would say go EFI, but for me carby is the go

CHeers,DAN

[skiddz]

Man talk? Yeah, usually women think too LOGICALLY and THINK AHEAD....

i think its more fun flying by the seat of your pants expecting the unexpected

as has been said, i think the efi would be indefinately more simple to apply and use, cos thats what is done at the moment and it is fairly well documented etc. the carby i think would require alot of tuning and a helluvalot more specialist work to get it running as good as an efi setup

IMHO you're better off getting 18r-geu rebuilding with lower comp pissers, better rods, and throw a turbo on there

[The Witzl]

why not just throw a turbo on a high comp. 18R-GEU with stock rods???

I know i will

[skiddz]

i will if u will
but i dont have a boat anchor
i was talkin about running slightly insane levels of boost, >20psi but whatever floats ur boat anchor

[The Witzl]

easier still - just take mine for a quick drive. You will know straight away

But that's not going to prove anything. It would have to be the same car, same engine, same everything - the only diff is carb test and then same test with EFI to see the differences.

But, if you're offering for me to thrash it's arse off.....

but Shaaaane - they essentially ARE the same car with the same engine! You have a high comp 18R-G, I have a high comp 18R-G. We both have liftback RA2* celicas.
The difference is so huge that it completely shadows "control" variables....

... and yes you can thrash it. Not that you actually need to - it's got so much grunt everywhere that i dont need to thrash it to get places quickly anymore!!

[river]

Hi,

but Shaaaane - they essentially ARE the same car with the same engine! You have a high comp 18R-G, I have a high comp 18R-G. We both have liftback RA2* celicas.
The difference is so huge that it completely shadows "control" variables....

Come now Karlavore... my car is a lovely imported GT and yours is..... well... it's yellow.

Totally different!!!

seeyuzz
river

[skiddz]

... my car is a lovely imported GT and yours is..... well... it's yellow.

Totally different!!!

that says it all

[millsi]

also with carb turbos, its not a good idea to run an intercooler as thats one big ass area with a fuel air mix ready to go bang!!!

who ever -neg repped me for this post please explain why???