Camry with 5s-fe. I want more grunt!!

[4x4fun]

Hi, ive just purchased another camry wide body as the one i already have is getting a little warn out!! The new i just purchased has only 170 000km's on clock but engine has been flogged. i'm doing a full rebuild on the motor but whilst it's out i was wonder if any one new some easy tricks like timing, head porting ect.. i'm only chasing 20-30 more kw's from motor as they have a low power out put. i'm looking for a low down to mid range increase as my partner drives it. I'm very mechanically minded and have all the tools needed but don't know these motors!!

[briney]

root a pig ? on a serious note, why not bash a V6 into it ? they go heaps better. or turbo it ? that'll liven it up.

[eeeyan]

your not gonna get an easy 20-30kW without spending some dollars.

5 or 10kW is easy enough but for 20-30 you would need either a V6 or 3SGTE transplant or a turbo kit for the 5S. If you wanted grunt quite simply you shouldnt have bought a 5SFE you should have spent money on a V6 Camry or celica GT4 instead. Or a Soarer for similar money.

Of course you could always chuck a nitrous kit on there for shits and giggles but then i gaurantee you will need an engine transplant.

It really comes down to the budget you have set yourself its acheiveable but not on a beer budget really.

Unless you can find everything second hand in good condition at mates rates in which case 3SGTE parts will go onto it with some persuasion if i remember correctly.

[hamgatan]

there is always the 2.2L Stroker 3SGTE option which might be a tad cheaper..

[eeeyan]

only a "tad" though is it really a stroker if your just bolting top and bottom parts of engines together isn't it a hybrid? would that make its a 4S-GTE?

[Hiro]

only a "tad" though is it really a stroker if your just bolting top and bottom parts of engines together isn't it a hybrid? would that make its a 4S-GTE?

Standard naming practice would call a 5SFE block and 3SGTE head a 5SGTE, not a stroker 3SGTE (unless you use a 3S block and a stroked crank) or 4SGTE.

[eeeyan]

thanks for that Hiro.

Was just having a bit of fun but its ok i know where your going with it.

EG, 1.5JZ hybrid's etc.

I still think this guy is pushing shit uphill playing with a 5SFE for an extra 20-30kW without FI or a Transplant of some description.

[beerhead]

Gen2 3SGTE turbo manifolds bolt straight up, low boost it'll last for years. 30kw gains atmo you'll need to get the compression up (custom pistons - though terryo reakoned some mitsi piston is worth a look) port the crap out of it and oversize the valves with 3SGE items at the bare minimum. Then some decent extractors - which is hard because of that giant rubber front engine mount. I converted my SVD10 to SV21 engine mounts so I could run 3SGE 4-2-1 pipes - which has really improved midrange. To be honest the easiest way to get 30KW might be worth finding a 2AZ- FE 2.4L - which are starting to become available.

[jonathan yee]

yeh, not gonna get that. you could try swapping a gen3 3s head and a thin HG. this'll give you higher CR and some decent head flow, the inlet CAM is 9.8mmlift and 252 duration for the intake.(MT)

or just swap a complete gen3 3s get 170-180HP. but is the cost worth it?

you want a V6 really, the camry is heavy so you need lowend grunt.

[4x4fun]

no limit on budget!!! i scored the car in immaculate condition for only $450 delivered, from a mate at a wreckers.
They told an old granny it was stuffed and she sold it to them 500. The dizzy is the only thing missing.

It's for my missus but i always hated when you put your foot down they have no low down pull.
Thanks guys for all your imput!!
I will be going for the "hybrid" option and i'll get my mate from Toca Performance in brissy to do the head work as he owes me..
i thought 20-30 was pushing it. and not going to turbo it because thats how the first engine died..

[beerhead]

Drama is 5SFE pistons have more dish than a 3SGTE piston - you'll get half a point of compression with the gasket so you'll be in the high 8's if your lucky. Not really an atmo screamer...

[tomvale13]

the sfe engine line were never intended to be power-houses man - see if you can find a v6 through your wrecking mate; as others have mentioned turb's would be the only easy way of doing it.

- I've driven on of the v6 camry's before and it was okay for what they're intended for.

Not that thirsty either.

porting and polishing, hybrid and the like is gonna be a serious fuck around for little gain.

[eeeyan]

couldn't he deck the head a few thou? I would have thought you would want high 9's at least.

[tomvale13]

- he wants low-mid end grunt - higher compression is just gonna make it a bit more responsive isn't it? (excuse my ignorance)

[eeeyan]

most likely i honestly think a 6 cylinder would be better for this application a 1MZ would do nicely.

Probably pick one up for a steal these days too as plenty of rear ended/side impacted written off camry V6's and avalons out there i would think.