What should a novice put in a TA22

[Panda]

Well the title sums it up,

I've been hunting down a classic Celica for some time (still haven't got what i want) so im taking a TA22 and making the most of it

What im wondering is what is should put in it. I dont really wanna leave the 2T in there, cause it's just not enough performance for me, however this might be a pointless endeavor to swap cause of money and lack of knowledge. By the way, sorry if this has been covered in other posts, but if it has, i cant find it.

So whats easiest, simplest, gonna give more power than the 2T and be cheap...... if that's even a possible combination

So far im looking at probably a 4A-GE, or god foride swapping to a Nissans SR20DE and CA18DE . (not, there all naturally aspirated......... im still on my P's *cry*) however putting one in now will make it easier for me to put a turbo or supercharger in when i finally take down the plates. I would also like to keep it a 4cyl, to make it an easier conversion.

I do know there's no perfect swap but what am i really looking at as far as converting engine bays and things.

i might be missing something here though, so thats what i wana know, is there an easier, better conversion for me? Should i just stick with the 2T and do it up a bit. i'd work it out myself but my head hurts from reading to many posts.

thanks for the help

[Turdinator]

Easiest swap you can do is a 2tg. Same basic block with a DOHC head. Search it. There is plenty of knowledge on getting power out of them too. As a guide a 2t in good nick will make 40 - 50rwkw, a worked 2tg will make 80 - 100rwkw without too much effort.

[hosking1991]

Your best of going with a carbied ( carbies ) 2t-g would have a bit more pull than a 2t,would bolt straight in and would not require mods such as gearbox x-member tailshaft etc

Luke

[Radar]

Just upgrade the suspension, carbs and extractors and have some mad fun...

[river]

Hi,

I do know there's no perfect swap but what am i really looking at as far as converting engine bays and things.

Yes there is, and it's been mentioned..... the 2T-G.

Great little engine and a straight bolt in. Couldn't be easier. They make decent power stock, and with some mods make more. When you are off your Ps you can bore/stroke it to almost 2 litres, whack on a turbo and you've got yourself a very fast car.

Start off with the carbie 2T-G as you won't have to worry about the expense of putting in fuel pumps etc required for the EFI version.

seeyuzz
river

[river]

Hi,

Just upgrade the suspension, carbs and extractors and have some mad fun...

Agreed. Get your suspension done and put on a rear sway bar. A 2T-G TA22 is such fun to drive you'll want the suspension done so you can really throw it about.

seeyuzz
river

[Panda]

Huh, cool. thanks guys.

was under the impression that there wasn't much in the 2T motors, probably because everyone is swapping them out

Well seeing as the general consensus is the 2T-G, i'll definitely look into it If i can get 80kw out of it then i'll be laughing, and i get to keep it toyota.

Thanks heaps guys! i do love this forum, been following it for about a month now, never fails to impress.

Ima go find me a 2T-G

cheers all

[pandaah]

wtf jus like copy my name nd shit lol...... put a 2jz

[Radar]

bugger the 2tg just shave the 2T head if you only want 80kw... compression ftw

[The BEE]

Totally agree with everyone... 2TG.

A few years back when i was keen to learn i asked almost the same question on the old forum and was advised the same thing for my TA22.

Its a great start for learning and there are plenty of very helpful lads on this forum if you get stuck. I'm sure that everything 2TG has been covered twice around here so you should be right to find all the info you need.

Good luck,

Sean

[Panda]

Cool, thanks guys and gals!

and yes, yes i did steal your name

Being my first ever build i do want to keep it simple so the 2TG sounds like an awesome idea. thanks again!

[NME308]

The old 2T is extremely under rated!
If it is still in reasonable health i.e. not blowing smoke etc, my vote would be leave it there!

My first celica had the 2T on board and it was a blast!
It got a 25-65 Ivan Tigh cam (friggin NO idea what those figures mean) which lumped away nicely at idle, a slight shave of the head to give 10:1 compression, a 350 holley carb, and a set of extractors mated to a 2 inch 'sports' exhaust. I could outrun all my mates with bombed 6cyl early commodores both over the quarter and top speed, plus it pulled gnarly slides into 2nd gear when you were giving it a hard time! Long before the term was known I was doing drifting with the thing as well as dirt rallying etc... Made the trip from Rocky to Mt Tamborine in 5hrs i.e. pulled quite a few revs for quite long periods!

A 2T built in this way and treated as described above should almost survive your P plates at which time it will be worth thinking about that turbo upgrade!

My 2c worth,

Cheers,
Jason

[YelloRolla]

What should a novice put in a TA22? Answer = Blown Hemi + alcohol. You'll either no longer be a novice or you simply will no longer be.

NME308 those figures mean that the intake valve opens 25 deg BTDC and closes 65 deg ABDC, your exhaust valve opens 65 deg BTDC and closes 25 deg ATDC. Total duration therefore = 270deg and you will have 50 deg of valve overlap.

These numbers are theoretical and truly apply if you set them up that way (IE your valve lash is set correctly and your cam is timed in the correct position).

[Radar]

What should a novice put in a TA22? Answer = Blown Hemi + alcohol. You'll either no longer be a novice or you simply will no longer be.

I'll let you know how I go

[RAAAH23]

The old 2T is extremely under rated!
If it is still in reasonable health i.e. not blowing smoke etc, my vote would be leave it there!

My first celica had the 2T on board and it was a blast!
It got a 25-65 Ivan Tigh cam (friggin NO idea what those figures mean) which lumped away nicely at idle, a slight shave of the head to give 10:1 compression, a 350 holley carb, and a set of extractors mated to a 2 inch 'sports' exhaust. I could outrun all my mates with bombed 6cyl early commodores both over the quarter and top speed, plus it pulled gnarly slides into 2nd gear when you were giving it a hard time! Long before the term was known I was doing drifting with the thing as well as dirt rallying etc... Made the trip from Rocky to Mt Tamborine in 5hrs i.e. pulled quite a few revs for quite long periods!

A 2T built in this way and treated as described above should almost survive your P plates at which time it will be worth thinking about that turbo upgrade!

My 2c worth,

Cheers,
Jason

and never blew a diff?

heres my 0.02c

as a p plater too, its important to go fast i kidd i kidd..

on a serious note find a 2TG it will be the easiest and will look most stock for those "people" that need to have a look at what youve got. remember if ur car requires and engineers certificate you legaly cant drive it. keeping in the 2T family means having a same block and the rta wont really pic up on the engine swap when you change it over.

then if you decide to turbo it once you have your blacks. keep a look out for a 3TGTE relativly cheap and extremly easy to install.

just my 0.02c