3sgte ae82

[The Last Streetfighter]

What PWR setup did you use and how much does it cost?
Can you make up a custom ally plate to go over your cam valley? Emboss it with GenIV 3S-GTE BEAMS or something.

[Shifty]

What PWR setup did you use and how much does it cost?

I'm using one of the PWR water-to-air barrell kits. Air-to-air kits are much cheaper and even the cheap ones are fairly good quality these days. A branded water-to-air setup is getting up near $2k so you'd want to be pretty serious if you were going to buy one, but in my case I knew someone who'd purchased one but never used it (apart from taking it out of the box to put a few scratches and marks on it) and paid less than half the RRP. Also in the grand scheme of things even if you did buy one at RRP the track record & aftermarket support are there, and you'll never need to worry about intake temps again. In the grand scheme of things when you're talking a minimum of $10k for an engine conversion another $2k to make it good, instead of crap, is money well spent.

I'm not made of money and don't believe in throwing it away for no reason - eg. I'll never own an engine with parts from "brand XYZ" but at the same time cars are an expensive hobby and if you cut corners it'll cost you twice as much in the long run.

Can you make up a custom ally plate to go over your cam valley? Emboss it with GenIV 3S-GTE BEAMS or something.

I'm not really into bling, in fact I can see that looking REALLY awful... the only saving grace is that you won't be able to see the cam cover valley as the motor is on a big angle

[wagonist]

There are cheaper ways to Water-air intercoolers, but sounds like you got a good deal, so why not. I'm still looking at what to do with mine, but funds don't allow anything like that for the mo.

Did you have any luck with sorting out driveshafts?

[Shifty]

I wouldn't have bought the PWR setup if I'd had to pay RRP, it's hard to go past a cheap A2A setup or a home-made W2A setup (although some concerns about reliability of the latter).... but as stated I got a deal that made the best option the cheapest option (by the time you take into account extra cost/difficulty plumbing A2A).

I have a driveshaft setup to suit the little SV21 box, but I'd like to use the bigger box.... once i confirm if it is/isn't an E-series box. Noone seems to be able to give me a definitive answer on if it is/isn't and/or how I can identify it..................

....so anyway once I decide what's happening with boxes I'll either use the shafts I've got (some kinda Corolla ones, can't remember) or else look at doing something cu$tom.

[mattysshop]

have a bit of a read on the twincam website for the ppl that the E58/4AGZE combo in AE82's.. give you an idea of the hubs etc etc they use if any different..

[wagonist]

You may be able to mix and match the inner CV & driveshafts.

[damo101]

have a bit of a read on the twincam website for the ppl that the E58/4AGZE combo in AE82's.. give you an idea of the hubs etc etc they use if any different..

the e58 shafts fit straight in the ae82 hubs. it does for twincam version ae82's, apparently the non-twincam versions have one less spline but i have fitted non-twincam hubs to TC version ae82 with out any hassles.

[Shifty]

Ok well as I haven't been able to get a 100% straight answer out of anyone, I got the shits with it all today and spent four hours pulling the E53 from a mid 90's 3VZ Camry so now I know exactly what box I've got! I will post pics and measurements tomorrow, but so far:

4A C5x box
Smallest input shaft and smallest driveshaft splines.

Box sold to me as a V6 Camry box but seems to have 3SFE (or something similar) written on it
C5x driveshafts are too small for this box. C5x clutch plate too small for this input shaft.

Box sold to me as a 3SGE box, which would make me assume it is an S5xC5x driveshafts are too small for this box. The driveshafts from the above box are also too small for this box. C5x clutch plate too small for this input shaft. Clutch plate from above box also too small for this input shaft.

Box I pulled today from a 3VZFE Camry with E53 on the build plate
Same sized input shaft as the "3SGE" box. Same sized driveshafts as the "3SGE" box. Appears to be about 30mm longer from the end of the bellhousing to the end of the gearset, not including the sumps.

Clutch that came fitted to my ST215 3SGTE
Fits on the E53 I bought today, AND on the "3SGE" box.

What the hell is going on here?

[wagonist]

Welcome to the wonderful world of Toyotas

From the knowledge of the 2 Caldinas I've owned.

When I went to replce the clutch on the last one, I wanted to fit a GT4 version, but found that my flywheel was smaller & was the same size as the FWD Celica. This still carries the same size input shaft though.

The ST215 flywheel is the same as the GT4, so it should be bigger (about 20mm).
Which way does the starter motor faces on these boxes? On the gearbox side of the flywheel, or the engine side? My GT4 box is on the box side, but the diesel one was the engine side.
On the "3SGE" box, if it's on the gearbox side, how much clearnace is there for the starter motor to fit beside the flywheel.

From what I see:
You got dudded on the first box. Seems like an 3S-FE camry box

3S-GE box is still an "S" series box off a FWD Celica. I "think" only the turbo SW20 MR2 & V6 Camry's are the only 2wd "E" series boxes.

Stick with your last one. 3VZFE: I'd be sticking with this one. You should be able to retrofit SW20 MR2 LSD into this box if need be.
What engine capacity is this? I know 2VZ-FE was 2.5L from last narrow body Camry.

[Shifty]

Agree with most of that and hope to have more info after an hour or two in the garage tomorrow night.

On all three boxes the starter is mounted on top of the box itself, rather than against the block.

The best thing about the 3VZ box is that I know it's right. According to Wiki the 3VZFE is 2959cc... normally I'd take Wiki info with a grain of salt but I was fairly sure they were a three litre so it's probably right.

The question I *do* have regarding the LSD thing is that I've heard MR2s run different driveshaft splines on the LSD models so I figure if I fit the LSD, I'll need to rare-as-rockinghorse shafts to go with it?

[wagonist]

MY EPC just confirmed 3VZ as 3 litre.

Not sure about the driveshafts. Maybe it would be worthwhile just getting what you can now, & keep an eye out for an MR2 box.
I dare say you'll find that it'll only be the inner CVs that are different, not the whole shaft.

[Shifty]

I'm not overly concerned about getting an MR2T box at the moment; I mentioned the MR2T box only in relation to buying the LSD from one and my thought that if I fitted that LSD I would need to fit those driveshafts. I'm not that great with diffs so I'm not sure whether the driveshaft spline is part of the crown wheel itself, or if the LSD is the part that drives the shafts - in which case adding the LSD would require the use of the turbo LSD shafts which is another headache I'm not interested in.

As you mentioned I'd wager that the rest of the driveshaft is the same as a normal MR2T or indeed a V6 Camry and in a light car like an AE82 I'm confident the drivehshafts will be up to the task unless I get seriously into drag racing (possible). On the street or even with a little circuit racing I'd be surprised (touch wood) if I broke a driveshaft, there wouldn't be enough traction so the only thing that's likely to kill one is excess tramping.... which I can hopefully address with an appropriate suspension setup.

Back to the boxes, they seem to be RIDICULOUSLY overpriced and the only advantage seems to be the slightly larger output for the driveshaft. There's the LSD too, but I can get an aftermarket LSD for a reasonable price, especially with the current exchange rate - and then I know that the LSD part, at least, will be brand spankers. It will also work with stock Camry V6 driveshafts (incidentally I found today that they are the same spline for the 3VZ whether auto or manual box), and the stock turbo LSD (see comments above) may or may not need new shafts.

[wagonist]

I'd say good call on that.
The 1MZ V6 manual box is the same as the MR2 turbo, but minus the LSD.
How many manual Camries are out there...

[Shifty]

Surprisingly few!

Most Camry drivers aren't into cars so they're auto 4cyl... some got the manual because they were tight. the few that optioned the v6 all seem to have gone for the auto. I had a fair battle finding a manual one, took me a few weeks scouting five different wreckers.

[Shifty]

Ok so I have some pictures which should hopefully prove interesting for a few people. Please excuse the crap photos, my camera phone is reasonable in daylight but shocking at night.

Most surprising is the difference in the size of the driveshafts.