toyota's Smallest Factory steering wheels.

[Johnzoku]

Why don't you just ask Queensland transport about the rules. I'd be surprised if in all the training the Police have to undergo that there would be a section on steering wheels and wood rimmed ones at that.

ill be doing just that... ive searched thru quite a few documents on the next recently... ADR regulations, QT modification guide and hummm another one... and there's nothing really clear about steeringwheels... apart from anything after 1989 has to be padded... the smallest you can drive with is a 350 dia steering wheel and it has to be adr approved.

the only steering wheels sold in Oz seam to be the momo, issota (sp) because the itallan spec's meet the ADR approvals.

soooo... yeah, ill be sitting down with QT rep and finding out all i can about these new laws and getting it in writing, keeping a folder in the car with the rest of my "LEGAL" modifications and hopefull il have enough ammo to shut down the inxexperianced officers

[CrUZida]

Whats all this talk about 350mm for?

I thought QLD was running the NCOP

NCOP Rules


Note the word 'SHOULD' in the last sentence.

'Should' is a recommendation, NOT a requirement.

The new version of the NCOP will probably change the word 'should to 'shall' or 'must' but for the moment its not required.

(note, the above is useless if QLD doesn't follow the NCOP's)

[Shakotan_Aaron]

loop-holes FTW

[Hiro]

NCOP will mean a lot more if the N (which stands for National) actually _MEANT_ National.

At the moment, it is a joke.

[CrUZida]

The joke is that some of the states refuse to adopt it. Fuck nose why. Its soooo much clearer than any existing system out there.

[Johnzoku]

thanks for that cruzida... i get excatly what your saying, but i'd be hard pressed explaining the difference between 'should' & 'must' to the cops with a chip on there shoulder.

ive had a few mates done recently where the cops/judges have been saying that theres 'new rules' comming thru but they have no idea when there going to be relised, or even if they will be.

i was unfortinate enough to be done by the new QLD hooning laws and when i enquired as to what part of the ADR & NCOP i have been pulled over for i got the respones "you've been pulled over on the basis that your modifications are 'illgeal' as such i was done for hooning (altho it was a lesser charge, not court apperance) and he was quite content to let it be at that....

[Hiro]

The joke is that some of the states refuse to adopt it. Fuck nose why. Its soooo much clearer than any existing system out there.

Clearer, yes. Better, not necessarily. Still, it is a joke because for something which is supposed to be a nation-wide document, the federal government can't get the states to adopt it (or at least agree to one single code of any kind).

[Major Clod]

John, thought about padding up an aftermarket wheel to make it look less obvious? I'm sure something could be sorted with a bit of fibreglass, vinyl, foam padding, or something along those lines? Could even use some bits from a factory wheel, or maybe if you're lucky find something thats got a similar layout. A nice big horn centre that says toyota would help.

Probably a bit of work to make it look factory and not ghetto spec, but it could be done.

*edit* The wheel in your first post is rather similar to my Momo Race in my RA23, except its got a big bulky centre. I reckon if that horn centre was on my wheel, the only way you could tell the difference is the colour of the visible metal.

[Johnzoku]

it seams that MOMO and issotta (sp?) steering wheels have the italan equivalente of the ADR10? approval on there wheels but had a look all over the australian website and theres no mention of that anywhere (the approval/Standard relates to how the steering wheel is tested and how it deforms under crash situations, i.e. it buckles just like a stock steering wheel would)

i compaired a ae82 twin cam wheel to my steering wheel and its bascally stock size, didnt have a measuring tape on me but im guessing its def. 380mm.

John, thought about padding up an aftermarket wheel to make it look less obvious? I'm sure something could be sorted with a bit of fibreglass, vinyl, foam padding, or something along those lines? Could even use some bits from a factory wheel, or maybe if you're lucky find something thats got a similar layout. A nice big horn centre that says toyota would help.

Probably a bit of work to make it look factory and not ghetto spec, but it could be done.

*edit* The wheel in your first post is rather similar to my Momo Race in my RA23, except its got a big bulky centre. I reckon if that horn centre was on my wheel, the only way you could tell the difference is the colour of the visible metal.

that thought had crossed my mind as well... but the effort involved in making the center look althentic would be more hassell than it would be worth, then the wheel would still have to be ADR approved.

but then i got thinking... twin cam wheel center... find a black "legal" size steering wheel and fit said center to steering wheel... i reckon thats the winner right there!!!

[Johnzoku]

haha... lol... just saw your edit...

great minds think alitle and fools never differ.

thats the saying right?

[petergoudie]

No matter what the advertising says, I'll bet none of the aftermarket steering wheels are ADR approved to ADR 10, 69, 72 (or is it 73). Those ADRs require a crash test with measurements afterwards and instrumented crash dummies in some of the tests. None of the aftermarket people could afford this except in a few cases where the vehicle manufacturer might have done the test and offered the wheel on a particular model. The aftermarket guys then sell the wheels to those who purchased lower spec cars. The NCOP should really say you just can't change the steering wheel except on pre-ADR vehicles.

[Shakotan_Aaron]

what about the version of nardi with the complete centre cover over the wheel..?



surely these came on WRX or something??

[seamonsta]

xcedricx, you need to ask Transport Qld and a Certifying engineer exactly what is required because the NCOP is open to interpretation which is why some cops will do you for no pad and others won't look twice. Be aware that you will probably also get diferent answers from Engineers as well depending on their interpretation of the rules, but once you get one who will certify an particular steering wheel you want to use, pay the money and get the car engineered with the steering wheel, most cops won't question it once they see it on an engineering certificate. As far as what steering wheels are ADR approved, some but not all current Momo wheels will be able to be engineered, look on the bottom of the middle spoke for a "KBA" number that is a German TUV approval which can be equated to our ADR's. From my experience the steering wheel is the least of peoples problems with a modified car if it is not Engineered/Mod plated or whatever is required up there.

[Shakotan_Aaron]

i had my corolla pass a full RWC due to a bunch of defects, i had my nardi classic on at the time, there wasn't an issue with it.

but they are a bit more lax on laws here in tas, i went in there the first time with neg offset wheels and that wasn't an issue (one had a gash due to scrubbage that they didnt like the look of).