Motec M48 Clubman on 1JZ, worth it?

[EldarO]

looking at upgrading the ECU on the supra, had enough of old shitty looking wiring and with a new turbo coming soon, it needs some get go to get going.

been looking through the ranks and discounted the microtech.

other options were the EMS 6860 @ $1700, autronic SM4 @ $2250, Adaptronic (mates fighting tooth and nail for me to go this option, but no start up map for 1JZ is pissing me off) @ $1200 and Vi-Pec V88 (ray hall p00) @ 2250

i discounted motec at first because i thought they were too expensive, but it seems the M48 clubman might have a shot, and at $2100, its sort of an option.

i was looking at spending $1700-1800 tops but hey, 300 extra is quite literally fuck all, especially if its worth it.

now, questions:

is it worth it? can the M48 run a 1JZ with 8 injector outputs, but only 2 ignition outputs?

how do you deal with this? and ignition multiplier? someone please enlighten me

tuner is irrelevant, also dont look at cost as these options are all within the ballpark and are all very real options.

i dont want a microtech, its as simple as that, but if there are any other suggestions, please make them

thanks

[ONETEN]

The only 3 ecus i would ever use on a 6cyl in order of preference:

1. Link Plus
2. Haltech E11V2
3. Autronic SM4

U dont have the first two on the list, and as for wiring i am yet to see a better quality wiring loom that Haltechs. Shits all over the standard loom. Have you looked into these options?? Ive used or installed every ecu listed above at some point in time, minus the M48, but the M48 has pretty average specs, hence the $2100 dollar price tag.

I would probs be sending you to Haltech, but if you have a Link dealer or tuner nearby, you just cant go past them. Link Plus goes for $1800 and you can do full seq. on a V8 with 4d fuel mapping. Check them out.

[ONETEN]

Link Plus:

http://www.linkecu.com/products/engi...der/linkplusg3

Haltech E11V2:

http://haltech.com/e11v2.htm

BTW, both will do full seq, on 6cyl with the Link having like 20 aux in/outs on top of that (every driver you dont use for injectors or coils etc, can be used for anything else)

[ONETEN]

Oh and 1 more thing, M48 CANNOT run 1jz with the factory waste spark setup, would have to get it upgraded to 3 ign outs. It may be possible to run it with two in some sort of batch fire mode, but thats such a crap idea i wouldnt even consider it.

[EldarO]

thanks mate,

wasnt really keen on the Haltech, dont know anyone using it plus i keep hearing stories of how slow they are to respond, and, while this is in no way the smoking gun, with this much choice, a small reason is enough.

what about the Ray Hall ViPec P00?

Link isnt one ive heard about alot, and ive been asking around for ECU's for a while, how small is the operation they run to slip under the radar like that?!

[JustCallMeOrlando]

Dude, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't tweak my map to get it started on an Adaptronic. The lack of a startup maps is a moot point. When wired up correctly, if you have the timing right it's a piece of cake to get the fuel in a workable state.

[ONETEN]

Operation isnt small, just not big in Aus, they are NZ made, and are very popular there, and in the USA. Hit up the forums, stacks of reviews and info out there. Ben Diggles ran an old Link G2 in his FJ20 Gazelle, with stock plenum, cams, porting, forged bottom and a gt30 custom @ 1.5bar he ran a 9.8sec quarter... and thats fully manual too.

As for bad reviews on Haltech, i have installed + initially tuned more of them than anything else, and not experienced any "slowness", infact quite the opposite. If you change your mind about the Haltechs, get in touch with the lads at the head office in Wetherill Park, they are really helpful and can provide you with any info you want.

When i was first researching ECU's i spent alot of time collecting each manufacturer & models programming software as the usability and quality is a good indication of the rest of the package. Give Links software a go, its fairly mind blowing.

[XR Pilot]

The only 3 ecus i would ever use on a 6cyl in order of preference:

1. Link Plus

I'll back this one 110%, its the primary ecu we recommend at work, after having played with haltech, autronic, microtech, motec, wolf, ems, adaptronic plus a few others I've forgotten I'm sure. In the right hands there quick to setup and tune, are priced well and are pretty hard to fault. There software certainly is easy to use, give me a decent 3D table any day over the bar-graph approach. Off the top of my head, the new G4 storm (IIRC the base model) has 4 ignition outputs, enough to do wasted spark or COP wasted spark for a 1JZ, and a heap of spare outputs and inputs, and support most trigger patterns and VVT configurations out of the box.

My 2 cents.

[Norbie]

I can't believe Haltech wasn't on your list, especially since they do a plug-and-play harness for JZ engines? I own two of their older ECU's (E6K and E6X) and they're great, the E11v2 is supposed to be heaps better. Getting a base map for a 1JZ will be no problem at all.

[wilbo666]

Adaptronic (mates fighting tooth and nail for me to go this option, but no start up map for 1JZ is pissing me off)

You my friend need to call Anthony at Kazien Garage! Tim Ottway upgraded to a 1jz, and but it still runs an adaptronic. I am close to sure that he will be able to help...

Kaizen Garage
49 Railway Parade,
Rocklea Qld 4106
Australia
0415 185 815
Contact: Anthony

Cheers
Wilbo

[1JZ.747]

link i would touch with some ones elses car let alone my own.

you haev ruled out microtech which i use and have done for 4 years with nothing but sucess.

motec are great ecu's im suprised its that cheap, though i would really look at the vipec from ray hall.

if i change ecu's from microtech it will be a vipec. i have only read good stuff about them.

Shane

[Stefan]

You my friend need to call Anthony at Kazien Garage! Tim Ottway upgraded to a 1jz, and but it still runs an adaptronic. I am close to sure that he will be able to help...

Kaizen Garage
49 Railway Parade,
Rocklea Qld 4106
Australia
0415 185 815
Contact: Anthony

Cheers
Wilbo

Tim sold that car, but that's not really that relevant. Ant installs Adaps onto lots of engines...

Also, how many of the ecus on your list self-tune? I'm installing a wideband this weekend so I can do just that with my Adap. I believe Nathan tuned his like this too.

Download the WARI software from www.adaptronic.com.au and have a play.

[EldarO]

link i would touch with some ones elses car let alone my own.

you haev ruled out microtech which i use and have done for 4 years with nothing but sucess.

motec are great ecu's im suprised its that cheap, though i would really look at the vipec from ray hall.

if i change ecu's from microtech it will be a vipec. i have only read good stuff about them.

Shane

ive heard your rampant Microtech flag flying, that track has been well trodden, as i said, im not interested, ive played with Ezras, and had his experience with them well trodden over me, and im just not interested.

ray hall is a douche, he was involved with Autronic, made a p00 site, then split with them, then made another p00 site, and since hes 100% in control of this ECU, im expecting p00, very expensive p00.

Norbie, i have no intention of retaining the factory loomings, enough of my car has been deleted and fucked with that im angry at the 600 spare plugs, thus they're all going, and hence custom loom job anyway, so plug and play loom is moot point.

seems between link and adaptronic.

$~1800 for the link ya reckon? is it worth the $800 over the adaptronic? (since Nathan loves me so much hes just offered to come over and load his map up onto mine and get it running )

purpose of this thread was to just sss out the M48, if its shit and a waste of time on a 6 banger (might do wonders for 4 and 8's) then thats fine, ill look elsewhere

[XR Pilot]

$1800 for the top end link, $1300 for the new storm. check out www.linkecu.com for the specs.

[DX20VT]

The new Link Ecu's that were released a month or two ago are awesome,

The Generation 3 ecu's were really good and had all the features you'd need,
and now they have been replaced with the Generation 4 ECU, which is the same price,
(near enough) and run the same good software and have many more input and outputs so you can run almost anything.

probably 8 out of 10 cars here that I know of that have any form of aftermarket ECU run a Link.