Ke10/20 + Sr20 = ???

[Smokey228]

Hey guys, my cousin and me are contemplating the difficulties of plopping an sr20 into a ke10/20... I dont think there's any loss in doing so, but am wondering what the RTA claim the ke10/20 weighs...

I cant imagine that room and distribution be an issue... Im thinking that so long as the rolla weigh close to or over 800, its easily dooable..

If worse comes to worse, theres the CA18... Now i dont really wanna hear from ppl who are going to say its going to kill the corolla, cause if you can name a better motor, based on bang for buck, then suck... Uhhh, nevermind that, i just think theres not much better as far as you can throw your dollar...

So i know someone on here has done it, but couldnt find who... ???

Our main concerns were based on driveline. How dificult will it be to fit? What sort of brake upgrades are easy, cheap and readily available? If the diff is leaf sprung, what options for upgrade does that leave us with that wont require shortening?

If i've missed anything, let us know...

Cheers,
Jase

[jono]

760kg for ke20

[JustenGT8]

No can do, i've already pulled a 3SGTE from my KE10 for that reason.

Not to mention a blasphemous conversion. Go a turbo silvertop 20V,,,

[Smokey228]

Dont get me wrong, i'd love a turbo 20v, but i cant overlook an sr20. They are common as fart, cheap for parts, shiteloads of aftermarket support, and still a great bloody motor...

I might give autosport engineering a buzz, and ask what they have the weight as. Cause i know toyota claimed the ra23 as 960kg, but autosport said 1040kg... And if that wont work, ask if he'll engineer it off a weigh bridge ticket

If the sr20 wont happen though, i'll probably go a ca18, cause again, they are even cheaper, alot more common then a 4agze, and still have alot of aftermarket support...

Cheers,
Jase

[oldcorollas]

iirc, 700 or 720kg for KE10. 1.7L turbo is usually max.. (maybe 1.8L?, 1775-1800?)
2.1L NA


engineer can't weighbridge it, as they are already on "the list"
KE30 maybe? KE70?
why not call the RTA tech line and ask?

why the nissan boat anchors? what gearbox? they fit in the tunnel?

[YLD-16L]

Both the KE20 owners I've spoken to with SR20's in them said they "had to" fit rack and pinion steering as part of the conversion to fit everything in and one had also lowered the cross member to fit too.

Both said the car steered like arse as well due to the poor geometry of the new rack setup.

It may be able to be done and work well or maybe not?? I can't see why not if it was well designed.

Still doesn't get past the fact the KE10/20 is too light for a 2L Turbo as everyone has already noted.

Bananaman has almost finished his KE20 CA18 so have a look at that in the rides section.

[JustenGT8]

Dont get me wrong, i'd love a turbo 20v, but i cant overlook an sr20. They are common as fart, cheap for parts, shiteloads of aftermarket support, and still a great bloody motor...

I might give autosport engineering a buzz, and ask what they have the weight as. Cause i know toyota claimed the ra23 as 960kg, but autosport said 1040kg... And if that wont work, ask if he'll engineer it off a weigh bridge ticket

If the sr20 wont happen though, i'll probably go a ca18, cause again, they are even cheaper, alot more common then a 4agze, and still have alot of aftermarket support...

Cheers,
Jase

I understand where you're coming from and if it was a common as dirt KE30/55/70 etc just for a bit of fun then full support.

A KE10 is getting to be a rare beast though so nice to see as many kept as 'Toyota' as possible? unless you are chasing a bizillion kw in which case a rote is prob the only way to go?

No matter what this isn't going to be a cheap conversion so i don't think the 'cheap' engine excuse really cuts it?

Under the National guidelines ACT would certify a 1.8T or 2.2 NA

[YLD-16L]

The KE10 bay is a lot shorter and a bit narrower than the KE20 bay too. Even a 4A with a turbo doesn't leave much real estate in a KE10.

[JustenGT8]

The KE10 bay is a lot shorter and a bit narrower than the KE20 bay too. Even a 4A with a turbo doesn't leave much real estate in a KE10.

The neatest fit thus far has been the 3SGTE? dunno why but the 20V is a shit for length and will require more firewall to go to make it neat. The rote sat somewhere between the 2 but has it's own issues as drive centreline is higher than for a 4 cyl so it's a battle to get it low enough in the car.

[Smokey228]

By cheap, i wanna see if it can be done on a 10k budget before we look at diff and brakes...

So basically, 10k i'd like to see cover the purchase of the rolling shell, already sorted by the sounds of things to, but unsure if its a 10 or a 20...
To cover engine and computer, fabrication, cooler, exhaust and fuel, tailshaft, maybe to get us by, a cheap bolt on brake upgrade or a set of slotted rotors and some decent pads...

I reckon that can be done easily enough...

The ca18 seems the go, but maybe a turbo'd 4a if one can be sourced easily enough

Cheers,
Jase

[Hiro]

dunno why but the 20V is a shit for length and will require more firewall to go to make it neat.

20vs suck for RWD applications because the big fat distributor hangs off the end of the head. Replace it with a CAS (and do the plumbing changes to the cooling) and you automatically save a good 20cm of room

[Smokey228]

What about the 16v's...?

Cheers,
Jase

[Hiro]

What about the 16v's...?

Cheers,
Jase

Dizzy is off the side of the head on the 16v 4AGEs, plenty of room.

[twentyEight]

20vs suck for RWD applications because the big fat distributor hangs off the end of the head. Replace it with a CAS and you automatically save a good 20cm of room

You have to do the exact same thing to the 3S-GTE, which is what Justen did, and it's still a better fit than a 20V with a CAS...

[charade_16v]

Speak to John @ Consulmotive Engineers....he has engineered a few ke20/sr20det conversions...
apparently you will encounter problems with sump clearance, but otherwise a perfectly legal conversion...for ke20's anyway, not sure about 10's...