1ggte into mx83

[indeecent]

I'll add my 2 cents... In the form of figures!

1GGTE - 157 kW and 275 Nm

7MGE - 152 kW and 265 Nm

(quick internet search but they should be close enough)

5kW gain, and 10 Nm, seems almost pointless.

Granted you do want the manual gear, it's awefully painful and expensive to bother with the 1G when the 7M is right there, not to mention that I'm pretty certain a 7M will beat it down the strip, as its torque spread is much better...

If you have ever driven a car with a 1GGTE in, you will understand. Most the GZ20 drivers on this forum would also be able to help with describing it. Heavy car + lack of low end torque = painful.

If you want cheap, torquey power, get a manual 7MGTE cut, shouldn't be too much more than a gx81, plus has the stronger box and should be a snap to install. Just do the head properly, and away you go.

[Huz]

Toyota Cresta 1GGTE Twin Turbo

GX81 Cresta 1GGTEU with water cooled intercooler, 5 speed manual, 98000km in excellent condition.
$2295

I am still concidering doing it, I know that it wont have much more power but my 7m is realy starting to give me the shits. I am not after a lot of power, just something that is more reliable and another option than geting a recoed 7m.

[Norbie]

If you want a modern reliable engine but don't need lots of power, a 2JZ-GE would be the way to go. They're cheap as chips and will go in just as easily as a 1G, if not more so. I suspect fuel economy would be better than the 1G or 7M as well, which is always a bonus with today's fuel prices.

[mrshin]

Another vote for 2JZGE for a good everyday car

[Huz]

2jzge was what I was going to do before I saw the 1g, I have been reading Takais thread and all the wiring seems to be pretty complicated. Would the 2j bolt up to the standard A340 auto or would you need a different bellhousing.

[takai]

Different bellhousing. Wiring isnt that painful, it just requires some thinking about it.

[Huz]

Ok so is there any bellhousing that will work and how much has it cost you all up if you dont mind me asking.

[rob_o]

2jzge was what I was going to do before I saw the 1g, I have been reading Takais thread and all the wiring seems to be pretty complicated. Would the 2j bolt up to the standard A340 auto or would you need a different bellhousing.

2JZ > 1G... honestly man, you'll enjoy the new engine for a few minutes before you realise that its not much of a gain over the poo motor.

[Mos]

Takai is just lazy and is waiting for me to supply him some diagrams

If you don't believe that the end result will suck to drive, try and find someone will a VL commodore who swapped the RB30 out for an RB20 turbo... plenty done and the results are far from inspiring.

The apparent ease of the 1G swap shouldn't blind you of the facts that, although these are the same chassis, the wiring differences mean it won't just plug into your MX83 dash loom. You will still need to do some wiring, admittedly less than a 2JZ-GE, but unless you swap all of the looms it won't be a plug in proposition out of the cut.

BTW, the torque converter/flex plate might also be different enough that it won't bolt up - I don't know for sure, just something else to consider. You're likely to find an engine/box combo so it's not usually something you worry about.

Cost: usually double the price of the engine/cut is almost a bare minimum. If you have useful parts lying around and you can do everything yourself you could get away with less but that rarely happens.

Mos.

[takai]

With the manual conversion im just pushing 1.5x engine price. Thats not including the W58 and stuff since i had bought that for the 7M anyway.

Oh and Mos is right, i was being lazy, was being the right word.

Now im not being so lazy, but instead i have a spinning head and as i was tracing the loom i got the wiring diagram mixed up so that i actually fed power to the FP+ test wire as opposed to the FP relay. FP+ activated fuel pump which pumped about a litre of fuel onto the ground before i could do anything about it.

Time to go get some fuel hose and a new fuel filter so i can bolt that up....

[takai]

FWIW, the wiring is actually a piece of piss. Its just a matter of reading wiring diagrams. Very easy.

Only made harder if (like my car) a monkey installed the alarm.

[.:2DR-FTU:.]

hmm. This is a very interesting thread guys, i also am considering something like this, but with a 1ggze and preferably an auto! Or a 2jzge vvti and auto. I just want it for towing

[big_zop]

hmm. This is a very interesting thread guys, i also am considering something like this, but with a 1ggze and preferably an auto! Or a 2jzge vvti and auto. I just want it for towing

Cost: usually double the price of the engine/cut is almost a bare minimum. If you have useful parts lying around and you can do everything yourself you could get away with less but that rarely happens.

Mos.

Would it really be worth to change the engine for towing?

What is wrong with buying a car more suitable or just fixing the head gasket properly (when it happens or buy a BHG car for cheap)?

[Huz]

1ggze with auto would be absolutely gutless, even with a manual it would be slow as.

[thegreatestben]

Does anyone have an actual answer as to the wiring required? No point in telling me JZ as the 1G is already in, I just need wiring done, my electrician is swampped atm and I'm really wanting this car on the road.