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    Default Guide to Boost, Octane, and CR

    Found this great article on the net and figured its a great n00b start point (was perfect for me) =]
    Quote Originally Posted by kennybell.net
    What parameters determine how much boost my engine can run on 91, 92, 93 or 94 octane?

    Good question. One of the top 3 most commonly asked.

    COMPRESSION RATIO - Lowering the compression ratio allows the engine to run more boost with the same octane. For example, 8.0:1 vs 9.5:1 can tolerate another 3 psi. 3 psi gives 38HP. The 1.5 lower CR loses 3% (2% per point) or around 9HP in a 300HP engine. That nets 29HP (38-9=29). Now you know why OEM's use low compression ratios on supercharged engines.

    AIR CHARGE TEMP - The supercharger itself determines how much boost the engine will accept. Some superchargers require an intercooler. Others, such as the Kenne Bell, don't need intercoolers because the discharge air temp is cooler. 1 psi boost increases supercharger air discharge temperature 10°-20°, depending on supercharger type. A 6 psi "rated" kit usually requires 8 psi "total" boost (+2 psi to overcome inlet and outlet losses). Consider two 8 psi superchargers: 8x10=80°, 8x20°=160°. The 160° supercharger should use an intercooler. An air to water intercooler will lower that 160° to around 80° (160°-80°=80°) or the 80° temperature of a more efficient supercharger without an intercooler.

    BOOST - Both higher compression ratios and boost increase cylinder pressure and demand higher octane fuels to eliminate detonation. Fuel octane determines the amount of boost an engine will accept. Kenne Bell runs 6-7 psi on all our Ford, GM, Chrysler and most other kits with our Twin Screw superchargers. 1.5 octane will support one psi of boost. Example: If fuel octane is 91 or you add a can of NOS Octane Booster you can typically run 8 psi. Intercooled kits can typically run 3-4 more psi.

    IGNITION TIMING - Retarding ignition timing will allow the engine to run more boost but not without a penalty. 4° retard=16HP.

    AIR FUEL RATIO - You can't make horsepower without fuel. Richer air fuel ratios reduce power but permit higher boost levels on a given fuel octane. Leaner ratios make more power but need lower boost so a lean mixture with high octane makes the most HP. We thoroughly understand all the parameters of supercharging. Supercharger kit tuning demands ignition timing, air fuel ratio, fuel octane, boost, compression ratio, discharge temperature and supercharger parasitic losses all be carefully considered in the design.

    What causes detonation? 1. Lean fuel mixture, 2. low octane fuel, 3. excess boost, 4. lack of fuel, 5. advanced ignition timing, 6. vacuum leak, 7. "hot" spark plugs, 8. overheated engine, 9. excessive inlet temperature (underhood filter) and incorrect readings from cheapie non calibratable wide band $35 VW Jetta oxygen sensors.

    Why is knock protection so important? Knock (detonation) can destroy your engine if it is not negated. Suppose your wife or a friend unknowingly fills your tank with 87, or you get a "bad batch" of gas, the engine overheats, someone installs a pulley that raises supercharger boost, the wrong spark plug heat range is installed (too hot) or a vacuum leak develops and the engine leans out. That's when an engine needs knock protection. No one in this industry has more experience than Kenne Bell with knock protection. It's also why we prefer "tuners" leave our kit calibration as is. The knock sensors are "sensitized" to distinguish knock from supercharger noise.
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    Default Re: Guide to Boost, Octane, and CR

    hmm, maybe take some points with an american grain of salt...
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    Hi,

    Who's Kenne Bell?

    Is he on these forums? If not, then he can't be as well known as he thinks he is!

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    Close Ol' Man River http://www.kennebell.net/
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    Default Re: Guide to Boost, Octane, and CR

    Cheers for that orlando =] I found the article on another forum, it was easy enough to digest, so I plonked it on here for anyone else who finds it interesting.

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    Default Re: Guide to Boost, Octane, and CR

    Remember that American octane ratings are different to Australian ones. We use RON, they use AKI (which is the average of RON and MON)

    RON - AKI (approximate only)
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    95 - 91/92
    98/100 - 93/94
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    Default Re: Guide to Boost, Octane, and CR

    I still call vague bollocks.

    The general gist of it is correct, but the numbers are most likely pulled out of their collectives arses
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    Default Re: Guide to Boost, Octane, and CR

    COMPRESSION RATIO - Lowering the compression ratio allows the engine to run more boost with the same octane. For example, 8.0:1 vs 9.5:1 can tolerate another 3 psi. 3 psi gives 38HP. The 1.5 lower CR loses 3% (2% per point) or around 9HP in a 300HP engine. That nets 29HP (38-9=29). Now you know why OEM's use low compression ratios on supercharged engines.
    So if you lower that CR to 3.5:1 you are only going to lose 12.6% power....
    I think not.
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    Default Re: Guide to Boost, Octane, and CR

    3 psi gives 38HP, yeah ok on what engine? need heaps more info than that.

    most of the info is crap and not really worth reading but hey its info from the states so what else could someone expect.

    sounds about as useful as that book Maximum Boost.

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    Default Re: Guide to Boost, Octane, and CR

    1.5 octane = 1psi... So, if I run on, say, Methane, (130+ RON), I could support 21psi MORE boost than 98ron?

    The professor says that's 266 extra horsepower...

    I'm heading down the shop for some onion rings!

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    Default Re: Guide to Boost, Octane, and CR

    Yes, yes, compressed methane making those numbers = a whole new alternative fuel revolution!

    QUOTE=mrshin]1.5 octane = 1psi... So, if I run on, say, Methane, (130+ RON), I could support 21psi MORE boost than 98ron?

    The professor says that's 266 extra horsepower...

    I'm heading down the shop for some onion rings![/QUOTE]

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