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    Default Re: Will a 3S-GTE ST215W drop into a 1995 4WD corolla?

    Quote Originally Posted by toppy
    I have been talking with the boys at Toyo Parts and they believe that the engine mounts are the same and physically the engine will fit in and the gearbox will bolt straight up with the 3sgte engine. .
    Beware advice like this from anyone who hasnt actually done it. I'd personally be very surprised if even the engine mounts fit without mods, let alone anything else
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    Default Re: Will a 3S-GTE ST215W drop into a 1995 4WD corolla?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mos
    I'm referring to this one, which to my knowledge is the only tercel to have made it to Australia (which is what I thought was being referred to given it's 4WD).
    There was an 4WD Corolla wagon released here remember, the AE95R
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    Default Re: Will a 3S-GTE ST215W drop into a 1995 4WD corolla?

    Mos was talking Tercel, not AWD corolla

    Quote Originally Posted by twentyEight
    What about using the Tercel setup?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mos
    Tercel engine is mounted longitudinally.

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    Default Re: Will a 3S-GTE ST215W drop into a 1995 4WD corolla?

    Quote Originally Posted by whatthe?
    Mos was talking Tercel, not AWD corolla
    Thought he migh have been referring to AWD Corollas in general, in which case the AE95 was the only one we got. But you do see AE10x diesels show up every now and then.
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    Default Re: Will a 3S-GTE ST215W drop into a 1995 4WD corolla?

    You won't need to replace your fuel lines, diesel is not harmful to petrol engines, it just won't burn properly, so a good flush is in order, and the remnants will disappear before you finish warming it up before tuning.

    I would look VERY carefully before even considering that the engine mounts or bellhousing will fit. I personally would be using the full either Celica GT4 or Caldina AWD drivetrain, as not only will this strengthen the setup to the required amount, but it will also dramatically improve your brakes.

    I would say it is do-able, would make a nice sleeper, and I would like to see it done. Whether you can do it for $9k... I think that is a VERY tall request, and you should add several thousand to that to ensure you get a thorough job done, and don't end up with a grenade. You may even need custom driveshafts and tailshaft for the drivetrain to fit... which are a few hundred each (and theres 5 in total)

    Don't want to discourage you, just make sure you know what you are in for.
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    Default Re: Will a 3S-GTE ST215W drop into a 1995 4WD corolla?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mos
    I'm referring to this one, which to my knowledge is the only tercel to have made it to Australia (which is what I thought was being referred to given it's 4WD).




    http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/Picture...83-Tercel.html

    By the looks of it every other Tercel was transverse.

    Back on topic - while not having any type of evidence, I would highly doubt the Tercel 4WD drivetrain would be anywhere near strong enough for a 3S-GTE (unless the driver of the car was me).

    Mos.
    ok well I was wrong thats cool cheers for clearing it up

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    Default Re: Will a 3S-GTE ST215W drop into a 1995 4WD corolla?

    3SGE/GTE as FF in an AE10X is doable using a Celica S5X transaxle and CV shafts.
    See avatar. I did custom mounts, but there is a chance Caldina mounts might work. No mounts were available when I did mine.

    Doing it 4WD is likely too much work or an insane labor of love. Basically you would need a whole Caldina as a donor, so this begs the question, why not just drive the Caldina?

    I have a Caldina now (ST215), and it is a treat to drive. My Corolla wasn't bad at all but the Caldina has refinement and traction to spare.

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    Default Re: Will a 3S-GTE ST215W drop into a 1995 4WD corolla?

    Ok, the project is going ahead. I have purchased a caldina front cut ST215W and hoping to move loom, engine, trans and dash complete into my 4wd sedan corolla. I spent yesterday taking measurements and comparing, looks do-able. I didn't purchase a caldina because i have a 4wd sedan needing a new engine, so the diesel donk goes and the petrol 3s-gte is to be the new engine.
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    Default Re: Will a 3S-GTE ST215W drop into a 1995 4WD corolla?

    thread revival.

    Curious if OP ever completed this build.
    I saw the title while researching something else on the web...

    In any case here's some info that may help:
    1995 is the year Toyota stopped manufacturing the corolla AE95 4wd wagon. I've read in an auto reference guide that they came in deisel but have never seen any on the web or in person.
    (& possibly the production of the lesser known/produced AE95 sedan was also stopped, although it's possible production of the sedan may have stopped earlier than 1995. I have only ever seen them with 4AF carb'd motors)

    I know for a fact as many people would by now that a 3SGE OR 3SGTE can be made to fit into an AE95
    There's a member here on toymods 'HISPL' from Western Australia who's done it.
    His build required new gearbox and engine mounts. Although he was transplanting a complete Celica GT4 drive train.

    Both gear boxes are E-series which is also shared by the Rav4 and some other toyotas. They look very similar from the outside. Gear ratios are quite different though.
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    However I suspect OP is talking about the Jap spec KD-CE 2Litre 2c diesel engined corolla produced in small numbers, which began production before 1995 and may have came out with different variants of 2c and 3c engines incl turbo & fuel injected versions in later years. (not sure..)

    I researched these engine variants when considering a diesel for my corolla AE95 4wd wagon but decided 3CTE (not available in Oz) ..didn't have kw's I was looking for and parts would be a problem.


    This particular corolla 2c 2Litre 4wd diesel sedan was mated to an E-series gearbox.
    The E59F 5-speed manual transmission.
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    https://www.tradecarview.com/used_ca...sedan/8700440/

    As the celica GT4's 3SGTE also used an E-series gearbox, the 3SGTE should mate up fine. E-series boxes have a decent reputation, but clutch dumping and clumsy gear changes at high revs will stuff any box.
    I'm not sure about the engine bay's mounting points etc. being compatible with a 3sgte.
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