Alarm wiring

**J0RD0** · 24-02-2008, 11:52 AM

Hey all just in the middle of attempting to wire up a rhino alarm to my ra23 celica. im really not the brightest when it comes to wiring, but ive read the instruction manual atleast a dozen times to try'n make sure i do everything right. It seems pretty easy so i'll give it a go.

A few questions - connecting up the indicators and ignition, ive taken apart the steering assembly to get to the wires around the ignition barrell ive located ignition and turn signals. Now can i wire in straight off the wires before the fuse panel or would that be a no no? it just seems easier than tearing throught the dash. Also in the manual, wires 17 and 18 are for negative out on arm and negative out on alarm, extra info 17 - this is a switch negative output (-ve 150mA) connect the negative wire (usually black) on the ultrasonic detector. 18 Negative trigger on alarm to be used to interface pager (100mA maximum) i.e when using apager you must use a relay. to me that doesnt make much sense, can anyone else explain this in jordan language?

**rob1** · 24-02-2008, 07:46 PM

connect your indicators straight where you found them.

wires 17 and 18 are negative outputs that, going by what you have written, looks like they become negative outs on arm (when you arm the alarm) - typically used to auto shut power windows on arming - and alarm, which when it is going off. - which could be used for a number of things. (screamer siren etc)
and 18 is to be used to activate a relay which in turn will activate your pager.

in a nut shell the wires go to ground on arming the alarm, and also when it's going off.

sort of make sense?

**J0RD0** · 24-02-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by rob1

sort of make sense?

No

Thats what I dont understand alarm doesnt come with a pager just the remote, and there are 2 wires negative pulse lock and negative pulse unlock, and thats where 17 confuses me negative out on arm?. and as for siren there is ground, constant 12v and trigger, trigger is no. 19 so nothing to do with 17 or 18

You see I would have got this done by an auto electrician but i rang almost a dozen and they all refused to install it for me because i didnt buy the alarm off them - dickheads

so now im stuck with the damn thing so i may as well give it a go

**WDE_BDY** · 24-02-2008, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jordan 76

You see I would have got this done by an auto electrician but i rang almost a dozen and they all refused to install it for me because i didnt buy the alarm off them - dickheads

so now im stuck with the damn thing so i may as well give it a go

The very good reason most people won't install it unless they sell it is if the alarm craps out you end up going round and round in cirlces with the installer blaming the alarm and the manufacturer blaming the installer. Lots of stress for bugger all money so just not worth it.

Callum

**J0RD0** · 24-02-2008, 09:02 PM

true but its not a el-cheapo alarm, spoke to a few auto electric guys and they will reccomend rhino alarms, but oh well.

**oldcorollas** · 24-02-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jordan 76

No

Thats what I dont understand alarm doesnt come with a pager just the remote, and there are 2 wires negative pulse lock and negative pulse unlock, and thats where 17 confuses me negative out on arm?. and as for siren there is ground, constant 12v and trigger, trigger is no. 19 so nothing to do with 17 or 18

a "negative out" just means the alarm grounds that wire.
so the negative pulse lock and unlock means the alarm grounds those wires for a short time so the central locking can do it's thing (as opposed to a continuous ground)

17 - negative "out" on arm.
that means, (hopefully in jordan language), you can use this wire to switch something to ground when the alarm is on. it is low current so it MUST use a relay.
basically, you have a relay which either switches something on or off, and you provide constant power to one side of the switching coil in the relay. when turned on, the alarm will use wire 17 to complete the circuit for that relay, so the relay switches when the alarm turns on.

18 is similar. it is a ground that is switched by the alarm unit, but only when the alarm is triggered. (in addition to the indicators and siren etc). they say to use with pager cos then a signal gets sent to the pager, from the unit you connect to wire 18 which is only switched when the alarm goes off.

hmm.. footnotes.
17 and 18 are used to ground a relay switching coil, to operate a relay.
17 is used to switch relay when alarm is turned on and is active.
18 is used to switch relay when the alarm is triggered.

**oldcorollas** · 24-02-2008, 09:11 PM

as for indicators near fuse panel or in column...
it depends which will hide it better.
if the wires are black and all taped up, then it can go to either place, but better to make the joins somewhere hard to access, so that a thief can7t quickly trace and cut them.

**rob1** · 25-02-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Jordan 76

No

Thats what I dont understand alarm doesnt come with a pager just the remote, and there are 2 wires negative pulse lock and negative pulse unlock, and thats where 17 confuses me negative out on arm?. and as for siren there is ground, constant 12v and trigger, trigger is no. 19 so nothing to do with 17 or 18

You see I would have got this done by an auto electrician but i rang almost a dozen and they all refused to install it for me because i didnt buy the alarm off them - dickheads

so now im stuck with the damn thing so i may as well give it a go

if you don't have a pager then cut the wire down and tape it up, same with 17. basically these wires can be used for additional features such as "if you have a pager" regarding wire 18 which will go to ground upon alarming and 17 which will go to ground on arming. typically these wires will go to ground for a short length of time, probably not constantly. dynamco neg ouyt triggers go for around 3 to 5 secs, or can be programmed for longer periods for say, like i said closing elec windows on arming.

if you don't need them don't use them. surely the rhino will have its own lock and unlock triggers that you use for central lock.

regarding fitters not installing a product they sell - why would they? what would you pay someone to fit an alarm you supplied? i don't fit anything i don't supply as i have no repore with a company i don't deal with. plus i don't get the profit of selling the alarm either, therefore it's not worth me fitting it unless you are giving me at least $200. would you pay that?

**rob1** · 25-02-2008, 06:44 PM

sounds like you have a battery back up siren therefore what you say regarding wire 19 makes sense. hook the relevant wires up to earth and power, then wire 19 is your trigger for the siren. the instructions should tell you which wires correspond to what on your siren wiring.

you are getting confused because you are looking at wire 17 as a neg out on arm as though it HAS to be hooked up. like i said, it's an auxillary trigger, that can be used for an additional feature if you so wish to use it (screamer siren, elec windows etc.)

**rob1** · 25-02-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by oldcorollas

as for indicators near fuse panel or in column...
it depends which will hide it better.
if the wires are black and all taped up, then it can go to either place, but better to make the joins somewhere hard to access, so that a thief can7t quickly trace and cut them.

correct stu but indicators aren't really what a thief is going to look for to disarm an alarm. still a good idea to keep the install looking factory and hidden.

**J0RD0** · 25-02-2008, 07:32 PM

cheers for the help guys but the alarm has just gone back in the box and dash put back together for now (i need the car in one piece for the next couple of days). The alarm does run a battery backup siren, and yes all wiring will be hidden in the factory loom. So now that I understand it all, wont have time until maybe next week