Engineering and engine changes in Victoria

[oldcorollas]

hang on, i call shinnanigans to that. you havent replaced the engine with a different type, only the head.

the engine was originally a 4A and thats whats gone back into it, therefore the engine replacement rules dont apply.

that rule was designed for cars with 2 different types of engines, eg i6 and V8 falcons etc.

and if engine never met emissions for ADR's?
you have replaced engine type.
single cam carby RWD...

to a (usually) FWD to RWD converted EFI twin cam.

[MRMOPARMAN]

in this case (bigport to ae86) they were designed to meet the same emissions, therefore you havent changed the type

[MRMOPARMAN]

Would i need a new road worth certificate aswell?

in victoria if the vehicle is registered, and you are changing the engine with another that was atleast an option, then you only need to ring them up to tell them the change of engine number.

[ed]

i managed to get my 7m in the ma61 approved without engineers report due to the above noted 15% rule. the M series block required NO structural or mount changes etc, so it got away scot free

[cambelt]

In Vic its 10% power increase not capacity i think , so a twin cam head or efi is going over that .
Dave

[Grega]

in victoria if the vehicle is registered, and you are changing the engine with another that was atleast an option, then you only need to ring them up to tell them the change of engine number.

yup, my mate put an rb30et in his r31 skyline. exactly what he did.

hang on, i call shinnanigans to that.

i think you just summed up vicroads to a tee

[-NiCkeL-]

yup, my mate put an rb30et in his r31 skyline. exactly what he did.


i think you just summed up vicroads to a tee

You can't do it over the phone, you have to go into an office and do it.

I'm sure there is plenty you'll be able to get past VicRoads... the issue will be when the thing is wrapped around a pole and your insurance company tell you they can't help you because you've modified it outside their rules!

[MRMOPARMAN]

just tell your insurance company when its done and tell them vicroads ok'd it.

ive always done it over the phone for engine number changes, but a mate had to go in and show them.. guess it just depends on which person ya get.. same as everything ya do at vicroads

[parrot]

It depends on whether you want to do it entirely legally, or just what gets it on the road. For the sake of not much money, for th epiece of mind, mine will be engineered.

What you decide to do is up to you. At least Vicroads position is very clear.

[dfunkt]

i've recently rang up the 13 11 71 vicroads number, and said i wanted to change my engine details, they said print and fill out the change of vehicle details form available on the website, and then take that into a vicroads office (not needing an appointment) with the car as they will need to cite the engine and its number for them to change it on their system. i haven't as yet pushed the envelope with my 3k -> 5k conversion, that will happen sometime after new years.

of the 2 engineers i've had discussions with, both have said that i won't be needing an eng. cert. as i'm not modifying anything, mounts, cutting, removing, welding etc. but given the 5k didn't some in a ke20, i think i'm gonna have some hassles with vicroads...

[Roscos]

You can't do it over the phone, you have to go into an office and do it.

I'm sure there is plenty you'll be able to get past VicRoads... the issue will be when the thing is wrapped around a pole and your insurance company tell you they can't help you because you've modified it outside their rules!

The thing is if you have a 2TG or 18RG the blocks and the engine numbers are the same and the engine numbers are in the same place as the originals are. The only difference is, is the head. If you are taking it down to Vic roads to change the engine number over all you are doing is changing one 2T block over for another, the same with the 18RG's. If you put a 3TG in, different numbers.
Theres ways around everything you just have work it out.

As for the quote that Toyota bought in GT Celica's with 2TG or 18RG's, when going to buy parts for these motors 25 years ago, most Toyota dealers were told these motors never existed and buying parts was impossible unless you stood your ground.


Roscos

[78Rolla]

my understanding was you need an engineers certificate if the engine you are putting in is:
- not offered as an option in that model car by the manufacturer in australia
- gaining more than 10% mass or power

*All this rests on the vicroads you attend and how knowledgeable the staff members are.

[MRMOPARMAN]

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...340/0/VSI8.pdf

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...04/0/VSI20.pdf

the VSI's dont say anything about power 10% increase, however it does say similar in power, weight and emissions etc. dont think you'll have a problem personally, unless you get an arsehole vicroads officer. they've usually got their hands full of dodgey skylines and commodores these days!

[parrot]

In my letter to Vicroads I specifically quoted VSI 8 which talks a lot about complying with ADR's. If Toyota did not submit a given car with a given engine for testing, then that model does not comply with ADR's and thus requires engineering.

The vicroads reply is black and white and I don't see any room for interpretation.

I am still keen to see evidence of TA/RA's with 2TG's or 18RG's in Australia, partially because I am sceptical and partially because I love looking at stuff like that if it exists.

To be frank, Toymods is a serious forum and it is important that people understand their obligations when modifying their cars. It is not good enough to say "She'll be right if you can get it past vicroads"

[-NiCkeL-]

"She'll be right if you can get it past vicroads"

My point was just that - just because you got it past VicRoads, doesn't it make it okay.