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    Hi Guys,

    Anyone know if the Beams intake manifold will bolt up to a GEN 3 3sgte or possible to do a complete head swap



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    Default Re: Beams manifold on 3SGTE

    I don't think they will bolt up but you can interchange the head but, i think some kind of mod to head or block might be required.
    There are also conflicting reports on weather the the beams manifold can handle much boost, some say its good for upto 20 odd psi but not many ppl will be able to confirm this....yet.

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    Default Re: Beams manifold on 3SGTE

    Buy BEAMS engine, fit rods and pistons, add 30psi, then make new manifold when it all goes pop. Fun.

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    Default Re: Beams manifold on 3SGTE

    Quote Originally Posted by Puffy
    Hi Guys,

    Anyone know if the Beams intake manifold will bolt up to a GEN 3 3sgte or possible to do a complete head swap
    doubt it they look like they have a different flange (but i could be wrong)

    head swap is doable but then you need all the timing cover and everything else to run it, as mr shin said it would be easier to put 205 rods and pistons in the beams engine (not sure which rods are stronger but id assume the 3sgte ones)

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    Default Re: Beams manifold on 3SGTE

    Thanks for the reply guys...... from what I have found it appears the manifold wont fit but a head conversion is possible.
    Then you would have to try get an ECU that would be able to control the VVTi.... ohh the fun never stops
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    Default Re: Beams manifold on 3SGTE

    I have a Beams inlet manifold at home, and I also have a Gen III 3S-GTE...

    The flages are quite different...

    But, on the Beams, the runners are round... And on the Gen III, after the flange, the runners are round and about equal diameter to the Beams ones...

    I'm yet to do a complete comparison between the two as I left the Gen III inlet manifold in Canberra when I picked up the new motor , but I'll have it it the not too distant future...

    At this stage it looks very possible that it could be of use by removing the Beams flange, and welding a Gen III flange on...
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    Default Re: Beams manifold on 3SGTE

    a full head conversion would be good somthing diferent in a gt4
    have any of the guys in the US or UK done this some one there might know?

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    Default Re: Beams manifold on 3SGTE

    Confirmed, the BEAMS head, and manifold are totally different from the
    3S-GTE's. I had the manifold off a BEAMS to physically check.

    cheers Chuck.
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    Default Re: Beams manifold on 3SGTE

    However the caldina intake manifold will bolt up to a gen 3 3S-GTE

    so if you want a side-feed that is an option

    also a Gen 1 3S-GE Manifold (also side-feed) bolts onto a Gen 2 3S-GTE
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    Default Re: Beams manifold on 3SGTE

    the beams head has a combustion volume of 33ccs and the gen thre head 54ccs so be carefull with pistons and compression ratios and the flanges are totally differrent chuck took his off to check for me for my ra28 3sge rwd conversion
    chees craig

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